Regular feed to organic change ?

Today i switched from Dumor 20% chick starter crumble to Natures Best Organic 20% chick starter. My girls are 20 weeks old and I have decided to keep them on the Chick starter because of the higher protein. After comparing the ingredient list, I noticed the dumor has dehulled soybean meal and the natures best has organic soybean meal. I wonder the difference. Also, natures best shows organic wheat, and the dumor says wheat red dog. Again, because these ingredients make up a larger portion of the feed,i wonder is there a concerning difference. I just dont know which one listed would be better for the chickens. The natures best also has distomaceous earth, and dumor does not. Is this a good or bad thing?
i hope I made the right decision. I chose to switch to organic because I eat organic and I believe in it. Thats really the only thing i can say about that. It just makes me feel better. But, when i see different ingredients all together or omitted from one feed, it makes me wonder, which is better??? Learning curves are tough!! 🐓❤️🤷🏼‍♀️

DE in feed is a deterrent to bugs crawling around in feed. It has no nutritional value (beyond what the dead bugs provide), and its effectiveness (which is both low, and slow under the best of conditions - it works by scrapping the carapaces of insects, causing them to sdessicate - they die of dehydration thru their shells) is made more questionable by the constant abrasion of the other ingredients.

Dehulling the soybeans before milling significantly reduces the fiber content of the meal, making it more protein dense. Generic Soybean Meal has nutritional info offered here. Red Dog wheat is a hard, high protein wheat, similar to durum. Organic Wheat can be any variety.

How do the certified nutritional analysis compare?

/edit I see you photo'd them, thank you.

Two things jump out at me. One, the Dumor is lower fat. Acceptable range of fat recommendations vary quite a lot in the literature, but 2.5% is at the low end. It would not be my first choice for starting chicks, particularly if I were raising meaties, or dual purpose straight run birds with an expectation of culling "excess" males at a young age. That surprises me, actually, I assumed Dumor would use more corn (a fatty source) because its cheap.

Two, while your organic is better than the Dumor on Lysine - and barely scrapes the bottom of the recommended numbers for all chicken types and almost all life stages (the exception is adult laying hens, where its adequate - as is the Dumor), both are deficient in methonine for all life stages of all bird types. You really want to see a figure around 0.5-0.6% in a Starter, and at least 0.4% in an "All Flock". Good plant sources of Methionine are rare - so rare that initial organic certification allowed the inclusion of synthetic methionine while retaining the "organic" labeling.

Lysine and Methionine are among the most critical amino acids, particularly in early life stages. Without adequate amounts, chicken size will be less than potential, and they will be unable to use all the protien made available to them in building their little bodies.

Honestly, this is something I struggle with myself, trying to offer supplimental methionine. Soy is an ok source, that's where a significant portion in the feed comes from. Oats are pretty good, and quinoa, as are sesame seed and sunflower seed (both high fat though!), Brazil nuts - but nuts and birds are usually a bad combination. Spinach is decent, as are many legumes. I'm sprouting fenugreek in an effort to get my birds to eat more.
 
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What stands out first is that the Dumor has less fat, and that's not best. I prefer something other than Dumor; it's less expensive for a reason.
Ingredients will vary, and that's fine, as long as the total feed is balanced nutritionally. And whole grain diets are often a problem, because at least some birds will select certain ingredients and leave others.
And always check the mill date on each bag, and plan to use feed within two months of it's mill date.
Mary
 
Maybe if you switched entirely to an organic diet, or all homegrown meat and produce, you'd see some health benefits... but just eating organic chicken with no other changes isn't going to give you incredible skin. My diet is about 50% certified organic/"mostly organic" from my own yard, and I don't think I'm glowing or energetic. :D
Oh yes you are!!!! 🐓❤️
 
I think you made the right decision.
I don't buy much organic for myself, because of the price difference, but I do buy some organic food products.

As for your choice of Poultry feed, Nature's best would be my choice for an Organic feed.
I don't feed organic to my chickens.
I feed a conventional layer feed 16% with Oyster Shells separately to my hens.
I do abide by the 10% treat rule.
GC
GC, thanks for chiming in as i hoped you would based on your past info you have provided me. So, let me say and you tell me what you think. I have had my 20wk old pullets on Dumor chick starter 20% protein. I switched them to Natures Best organic 20% chick starter yesterday. I will include the oyster shells on the side when they begin to lay (if they ever do!). In you opinion, and anyone else that wants to chime in; do you think this is ok. 🐓❤️
 
Of course it's okay. I may be of the opinion that there are better choices out there by various measures, but what you propose is in no way wrong and is in fact better than many offer their Birds. Please do not mistake my post for making the perfect the enemy of the good. That was not my intent.
 
I have had my 20wk old pullets on Dumor chick starter 20% protein. I switched them to Natures Best organic 20% chick starter yesterday. I will include the oyster shells on the side when they begin to lay (if they ever do!). In you opinion, and anyone else that wants to chime in; do you think this is ok. 🐓❤️
Yes, that is OK.
It sounds like it will work well for your birds and for you, given what you have said of your goals.
 
Quality in = quality out. If these are for personal consumption, keep that in mind.

That being said, take any feed label with a grain of salt. What's more important is the nutrient percentages, what grains/ingredients are being used and the shelf-life of the feed.

Also, mixed grain allows them to pick and choose, which is bad because they may not get a balanced nutrition. Pellet or crumble will offer the best even distribution of nutrition.
 
Of course it's okay. I may be of the opinion that there are better choices out there by various measures, but what you propose is in no way wrong and is in fact better than many offer their Birds. Please do not mistake my post for making the perfect the enemy of the good. That was not my intent.
U_Stormcrow, Thank you kindly for the time you spent explaining. I appreciate your expertise. I do not plan on adding to my flock and was curious if you agree keeping them on chick starter for their entire life span is acceptable. I am choosing to do this in order to keep them on the 20% protein with a side of oyster shells. And while we are on the topic of feed, what is your opinion on the fact that i give the 6 pullets ONE hard boiled egg every other day of the week, including the shell. I do this in the evening after our final freerange. My thinking: It helps get them in the run, and fills them up before roosty time. I do not know if this is a positive or negative thing. They love hard boiled egg more than anything I have ever offered them. Thank you again!! 🐓❤️
 

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