Relocate or Retaliate?

[Beekissed]

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Of everything said here, that may very well be the single most frightening statement yet. I spend a lot of time teaching my kids that if there is a law/rule/regulation they see as unfair, work on changing it. Go through the proper channels and make it fair. Can't even begin to imagine having a "if it is a rule I see as unreasonable I can can break it" mentality.

So, you've never broken a single law? Not even speeding, not even not using your turn signal or following at a safe distance? I'm willing to bet that we all have done these things, even if not intentionally. Still, it was a law broken...does that give us a certain "law breaking mentality"?

I do not have the sort of "mentality" that condones law breaking, as you not-so-eloquently put it. I was merely stating that some laws are unreasonable for the time and place they are enacted. If a racoon is standing in your coop with a bird in his jaws and several more dead on the floor, that is not the best time to legislate against unfair predator laws, now is it? Its time to remove an immediate threat and, THEN, try to get something changed. Until we have been presented with the problem, we do not know these laws exist. Removing that immediate threat would then make us, even unwittingly, a "law breaker."

Now, if I was recklessly shooting predators, while knowing there is a law against it...I would then venture to say that I have a "law breaking mentality!" Please do not presume to judge me on a paragraph taken out of context. You would have done well to have included the following paragraph as well. Are you going to include all the people keeping chickens in their back yard illegally as having a "law breaking mentality", just because they, have not, or cannot get those laws changed? I doubt if you would be so bold as to say that.

Please don't let your extreme need to protect wildlife "at all cost" cause you to insult someone you do not know. The people that truly know me would laugh out loud at your presumption! I'm about the least likely law breaker they have ever met....

 

[nautical_bouy]

The problem with coons and fox is Bob Barker, The Price is Right, and those people, have driven the price of fur down so far it is not worth trapping the rats people used to make coats from, every wildlife officer I have spoken with knows this and has been helpful.
Actually, one asked me if a bear or elk would venture down this way if I would call and give them a chance to remove it, before I solve the problem. They know land and live stock owners have rights from THEIR animals.



Personally I don't know why predators are a problem for those in suburbia, if someone has less than a dozen birds and can not afford to buy or build a coop and run,,, do not buy the birds unless you expect loss.

So far I have bought allmost 4 dozen chickens,,, I did because I have the room and money to do so,,, even so, to get back what I spent on the coop and run I will have to sell over 1000 dozen eggs @ 3.00 a dozen to pay for the housing and initial cost of birds, excluding feed, labor and utilities.

I'm not doing this for income, I do it for good food for my kids and to teach them about life.

So I guess my point is for people worried about coons,, build a better coop and lock up the birds EVERY NIGHT, kill the masked rats, and to the ney sayers,,, you can kill off predators, when there is no seed, they cannot breed,,or buy 12 eggs @ wally world for 2 bucks and save the heartache.

My only losses have been my fault,
other than stupidity, a strong coop, traps, and straight shooting keep away coons.

 

[luvmychicknkids]

I do not have the sort of "mentality" that condones law breaking, as you not-so-eloquently put it.

Following:

I am a law abiding citizen as well, but some laws are made to be broken.

THAT.

Sorry, some things speak for themselves.​

 

[ninjapoodles]

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I'd be willing to concede a possibility of the owls (but if so, not enough of them to keep the raccoons in check), but I've lived within 5 miles of this same area for 30 years, and have never even heard of a coyote sighting. But an hour or so north at my mom's lake house, you better believe there are coyotes...and mountain lions and everything else!

Come for a visit any time. We'll cook up some quiche and fritattas and then go coyote-spotting!

 

[amazondoc]

Yum, I love quiche AND fritattas AND wildlife watching. Sounds like a great deal!

I used to have relatives in Arkansas, but I haven't been there for years. I still remember driving across the Ozarks as a small child, for some reason. I must have thought it was beautiful, although I can't really remember what it looked like!

Oh well, enough off topic.

I've got to move the dogs from Knoxville to Lebanon tomorrow -- gonna be a big day!

 

[Beekissed]

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Following:

I am a law abiding citizen as well, but some laws are made to be broken.

THAT.

Sorry, some things speak for themselves.​

They do don't they? This is what is known as a tautology...Webster's definition: a needless repetition of an idea in different words. Not much clear reasoning there.

 

[gamebirdsonly]

kill. they are carriers of rabies, besides killing all your birds.

 

[lengel]

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Lengel - how in the heck did you trap a great horned owl??

It wasn't intentional. It got in but couldn't get out. I'm just glad that it wasn't injured in the process and waited patiently enough for me to widen the opening so that it could leave. They are persistent. After we reinforced the enclosure coverings, it tried coming back over and over. Finally, it stopped trying.

 

[amazondoc]

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This is where we get back into the subject of disease spread.

If you kill predators, then more predators will move into the empty space left behind. That increased movement of animals from one place to another actually INCREASES the spread of diseases such as rabies (references supplied on request). So by killing predators you are actually increasing the spread of rabies instead of decreasing it.

 

[Beekissed]

And if you relocate your diseased animals to another's territory it won't spread that disease? Confused by that concept...