Rosecomb Thread

[sjarvis00]

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Unfortunately the next show I hit will be nationals in shawnee, we have a lot of things changing around here and need to focus hard on normal life for a while so it is slowing the show schedule a bit.

 

[Msbear]

I got a little peak at one of those wheaten crosses in there.. They are growing out nicer than I thought they would so am happy to have something to put to my wheatens next Spring.

here's another one of this years males

and another.. he's on byc auction now with 2 hens

It's getting harder to cull from here. I hate doing it in the pen. I like to get them out in the grass and watch how they move and hold their bodies to really make the hard decisions.. guess I'll wait til Spring

 

[GotGame]

Nm

 

[sjarvis00]

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I like to use show coops, when really getting to final ones. That way I can see how they carry themselves on the ground, in the pen, and then in a coop where they should really be ready to show themselves and thier potential.

Can you post a Pic of a nice wheaton pair? I am very interested and truly hope to see some in shawnee coming up. as well as have the opportunity to speak in depth with a few of the folks seriously raing the birds. I will be looking for two specific varieties and a color cull black showing color in the hackle but not from an outcross. I know they exist just not openly advertized.

I will go to the auctions and take at a look at your blacks, but I am looking more for breeder quality for a specific purpose and not really focused on black.
If I understand teh Black Rosecomb correctly they are actually a recessive black aren't they? Is teh chick down solid black or is the breast and underside a lighter nearing white color?

 

[Msbear]

Im not a genetic guru but, from what I recall, it is called extended black. The undersides of the chicks are white.

I'll will get better pics of my juvie wheatens and the crosses. If you could find a black cull with hackle coloring, the type should be much nicer than an outcross... I guess that's why you want to go that route but, I think you will have a difficult time finding it.

 

[sjarvis00]

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It will not be an easy find, however you have brightened my prospects even more now knowing they are extended black in base tells me there must be some out there. the goal is simple, the presence of color other than black in teh hackle will indicate that although Ml is present it will be reduced. I am looking to re-introduce Birchen, to the breed. Using extended black will actually make it a touch easier for me, and even easier to disquish the future chicks by down color.
I know some have aquired Brassy back by the outcross of BB red x Black which requires that the black be Recessive. Either way you have been a great deal of help to this point as well.
In your wheaton cross are you seeing color other than black in the F1?

 

[sjarvis00]

here is the total sum of what I would like to aquire and work towards.

Black breeder female, to place under a Birchen OE male. This will re-introduce the Birchen color to the breed since there are currently none to be found.
Breed F1xF1 select rosecomb with Birchen color and then improve from there, likely using black rosecomb one or two more times in future generations.

Black Breeder female, second year introduce Opal to the breed.
Breed F1xF1 select Opal colored offspring with Rosecomb traits and continue to improve from there.

Wheaton / Blue Wheaton Rosecomb trio maintain and continue to work with the variety.
Maintain color / pattern and improve as needed.

1 whaeton Hen, under a Columbian male to re-introduce Columbian to the breed.
F1 x Wheaton Hen for type Select Columbian with better Rosecomb Type, F1xF1 select Columbian pattern and Rosecomb type, F2xBC1A

This will provide me with a total of 4 less common varieties of rosecomb that are recognized varieties through the ABA

 

[sjarvis00]

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I assume the pullets I am seeing above that show red in the hackle are from the wheaton x black? How are males looking?

 

[Msbear]

you can see a male in the back. I WILL get better pics of them today.. promise. They are showing lots of color in F1. I was pleasantly surprised. really look dark wheaten. I think I'll be putting the best male over my wheaten hens this year as well as over some of the best crosses to get even better typed crosses to put back to wheaten the following year. I'll bet I get pretty close to pure wheaten on F2.

 

[sjarvis00]

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Is it type the wheaton is short on?

I often run real hard matings and produce very large numbers in the F1xF1 and subsequent F2xF2 with multiple breeder pens when working Type, then take a F2 and back cross to in this case say black for type and and use that under an f3 bird it often takes two outcrosses for type.