royal palm x blue palm

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  1. BAMACK2

    BAMACK2 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    i would like to know what will you get if you breed a royal palm tom to a blue palm hen
    do anyone have a pic of this cross
     
  2. OmaBird

    OmaBird Chillin' With My Peeps

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    You would get both Royal Palms and Blue Palms from that cross. About 50% of each.
     
  3. turkeybreeder

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    blue palms also carry a narragansett gene
    when you are not sure what you get when you cross certain turkeys
    you can always ask kevin porter, he is always happy to let you know
    what results you get by crossing two different breeds
    on kevins porter website which is porterturkeys.com
    you can see that blue palms have blue slate/self blue genes
    royal palm genes and narragansett genes also
    also you can always ask porter if you can mail him some
    feathers of your turkeys, have a great day
    also join the turkey color genetics group on yahoo.com to get great info
    or the rare heritage turkeys group on yahoo.com
     
  4. OmaBird

    OmaBird Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:All Plam colors carry the Narragansett gene and the Black Wing Bronze gene. The only difference in a Royal Palm and a Blue Palm is a single Dilute gene (Dd) in the blue palms.
     
  5. turkeybreeder

    turkeybreeder Chillin' With My Peeps

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    i went back to the website where it says royal palm
    and it did say that royal palms also carry a narragansett gene
    they carry black wing bronze gene and also narragansett
    sorry omabird you right
     
  6. turkeybreeder

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    Quote:i will try this cross this year and when the poults
    are born i can post the pictures
     
  7. OmaBird

    OmaBird Chillin' With My Peeps

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    They will look just like these that I breed. [​IMG]
     
  8. Lagerdogger

    Lagerdogger Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Omabird is right. You will get about half blue palms and half royals.

    If you are not familiar with the nomenclature of genetics, royal palms have two black-wing bronze genes, written as b1b1. Each parnet contributes one b1 gene. They also have two palm genes, written cgcg, where each palm gene is one cg. They also have two narragansett genes, each written as ng. Royal palms also have two "not blue" genes, written as dd. So a Royal Palm is b1b1cgcgngngdd.

    Blue palms are similar, except they are b1b1cgcgngngDd. They have one blue gene and one not blue gene.

    When you breed the two together, the royal pam parent contributes b1cgngd, and the blue palm contributes bicgngD or b1cgngd.

    The offspring that get the D from the blue palm parent will look like blue palms and the offspring that get the d from the blue palm parent will look like royal palms.

    Birds that are b1b1cgcgngngDD are also called blue palms (See Porter's heritage turkeys website). If these breed with royal palms, all the offspring will have Dd, and look like blue palms.
     
  9. turkeybreeder

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    according to kevin you will get mottled blacks and mottled slate types
    from this cross, he said to keep all the mottled hens and breeed them back
    to a royal palm tom, also if you breed the mottled slates to the mottled black
    you can get some blue palms
     
    Last edited: Oct 6, 2010
  10. OmaBird

    OmaBird Chillin' With My Peeps

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    No go back and read what you asked. You said " royal palm tom is cross with a blue slate hen". This is a royal palm and blue palm cross. Big difference.
     

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