Russian Orloffs

[TherryChicken]

Hey everyone I plan on buying some orloff chicks and was wondering about the pullets/cockerels for breeding. Must I only have outside blood rooster to pullets? Or is it safe to breed brother and sister?

 

[RiddleMe]

Looking great! I love the spangling on the hen, next to last photo. And the tails look good. I am having trouble with pinched tails on my pullets this year. Your last photo, that hen has a nice tail.

You've mentioned this a few times, I kept meaning to ask if they are pinched horizontally, ie need more width through the body, or vertically, ie not fanning out, or both?

 

[RiddleMe]

A few pics...

I really like the length of back and station on this one...

 

[desertmarcy]

You've mentioned this a few times, I kept meaning to ask if they are pinched horizontally, ie need more width through the body, or vertically, ie not fanning out, or both?

I would say vertically, they don't fan out. I will try to get some photos later to show what I mean.

 

[RiddleMe]

You've mentioned this a few times, I kept meaning to ask if they are pinched horizontally, ie need more width through the body, or vertically, ie not fanning out, or both?

 I would say vertically, they don't fan out. I will try to get some photos later to show what I mean.

Understood. I was guessing that's what you meant based on your admiration of that last pullets tail, she does have a nice fan. Would still like to see pics. I have a little of both, none that are horribly pinched horizontally, but varying degrees of "fan" vertically.

 

[RiddleMe]

Hey everyone I plan on buying some orloff chicks and was wondering about the pullets/cockerels for breeding. Must I only have outside blood rooster to pullets? Or is it safe to breed brother and sister?

You don't have to have unrelated pullets/cockerels, though if you're trying to start your own strain it's good to start with related females and unrelated males. But line breeding (mother/son or father/daughter) is common in chickens. Inbreeding (brother/sister) can also be done but you're more likely to run into issues within the first few generations, unless you start out with quality birds. But inbreeding is the quickest way to pull all the recessive, and not necessarily desirable, characteristics front and center.

 

[TherryChicken]

You don't have to have unrelated pullets/cockerels, though if you're trying to start your own strain it's good to start with related females and unrelated males. But line breeding (mother/son or father/daughter) is common in chickens. Inbreeding (brother/sister) can also be done but you're more likely to run into issues within the first few generations, unless you start out with quality birds. But inbreeding is the quickest way to pull all the recessive, and not necessarily desirable, characteristics front and center.

So I am safe to breed brother and sister? I don't have to worry about deformities, etc?. With these problems will hey show up right away or? What would you concider? Getting a different blood rooster or breed brother and sister? This is my first time breding this breed but second time owning them

 

[desertmarcy]

So I am safe to breed brother and sister? I don't have to worry about deformities, etc?. With these problems will hey show up right away or? What would you concider? Getting a different blood rooster or breed brother and sister? This is my first time breding this breed but second time owning them

I think a lot of people start out breeding brother to sister with many breeds, if they get chicks from one person. I would say if there are going to be problems, it will manifest itself with the first breedings. A lot depends on how closely breed the birds are before you got them. Poultry, as I understand it, are much less susceptible to inbreeding problems than mammals. You can have other problems arise from bringing in an entirely different male. All sorts of variability is likely to crop up. That can be a good thing, too, if you have a clear vision of what you want in the birds and are willing to cull.

 

[RiddleMe]

So I am safe to breed brother and sister? I don't have to worry about deformities, etc?. With these problems will hey show up right away or? What would you concider? Getting a different blood rooster or breed brother and sister? This is my first time breding this breed but second time owning them

I think a lot of people start out breeding brother to sister with many breeds, if they get chicks from one person. I would say if there are going to be problems, it will manifest itself with the first breedings. A lot depends on how closely breed the birds are before you got them. Poultry, as I understand it, are much less susceptible to inbreeding problems than mammals. You can have other problems arise from bringing in an entirely different male. All sorts of variability is likely to crop up. That can be a good thing, too, if you have a clear vision of what you want in the birds and are willing to cull.

x2. It's not like you're going to get three legs or anything like that, it's just that if they both carry something like cross beak or duck foot, you're going to be reinforcing those genetics.

 

[TherryChicken]

Is anyone selling any chicks? I think I may be better off getting a roo outside of blood, with the luck I have lol. PLEASE pm me if you do