@Kahlua: Some of the problems you mentioned with Ideal's Orloffs almost sound like some of the problems that I have heard about with Ideal's Kraienkoppes. I ordered 4 Orloffs from Ideal back in 2010 or 2011. Two died from shipping stress, and two remained. The cockerel turned out fairly nicely, but he had two main flaws: he did not hold himself erect enough (i.e. he didn't have that Oriental gamefowl type), and his brows were not pronounced enough. His pros were that his feet and legs were yellow, his beard was full and well-feathered, and he was developing a good strawberry comb, as far as I could tell. The pullet was a disaster in three main ways: she was not heavy enough (weighing almost as much as a bantam), she had a bad crooked beak, her legs and feet were more of a washed-out yellow than a bright yellow, and she had little feathers here and there on her shins and toes. Also, her tail angle was too low (carried horizontal instead of a 40-45 degree angle), and in that she reminded me almost of a Cubalaya or some other long-tailed breed. She did, however, have a nice full, well-feathered beard, and she had a decent spangled color (though I certainly think type is much more important than color).
