School districts, layoffs and other things of interest....

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Aquaeyes that is way to long.

You want a good description and an accurate one about someone ask their wife!! Lincolns wife said he was a Christian. Married women am I right here? The quote for 1832... well you seem extremely educated (my 19 year old niece says 34 and still in school is a bit creepy, she reads my posts.) the date says he said that long before his political career.

Non-Christians believe in Biblical principals also, (reaping and sowing?) I believe all businesses attempt to adhere to that one. And yes I am sure Confucius probably started that also (sarcasm)

 

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YEP!!
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He did. But from everything I have read on the man he would have to say that EDUCATION begins at home and then is furthered by an educational system. Parents overall need to take a more active roll and teachers need to be allowed to teach and have the ability to actually discipline and correct within reason without fear of the petty legal garbage we see all too often.

The country needs to learn to take personal responsibility, talk to each other, and leave the legal system as the last resort rather than the first.

 

[chickened]

Got my share of em.

deserved more I assure you.
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He did. But from everything I have read on the man he would have to say that EDUCATION begins at home and then is furthered by an educational system. Parents overall need to take a more active roll and teachers need to be allowed to teach and have the ability to actually discipline and correct within reason without fear of the petty legal garbage we see all too often.

The country needs to learn to take personal responsibility, talk to each other, and leave the legal system as the last resort rather than the first.

Yep... i remember being spanked in elementary school by a teacher (in Florida)...
And i deserved it.,. trust me.

 

[AquaEyes]

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It was long because the statements in support of the assertion that this country was NOT founded upon Christian ideals are numerous.

Lincoln's religious affiliations are up to debate, and any conversion to a deeper belief in Christianity are attributed only to his time in the White House, after the death of his son. Regardless of that, Lincoln was president almost one hundred years after the Declaration of Independence, and cannot be counted as one of our "founding fathers" who constructed the framework for our country.

"34 and still in school" is neither entirely accurate (I'm a returning student...I began my "second time around" last spring, to complete 5 semesters for a new degree that will allow me to begin graduate school for clinical psychology) nor creepy (your 19YO niece is "fresh out of school" as you described me earlier, and perhaps her views will change as she gets older

). I would hardly call "creepy" the notion that an individual wanted more from life than was possible in his current line of work, and returned to school later in life to better himself. Even if this characterized me as "creepy" it has nothing to do with the information I present. This logical fallacy is an ad hominem. See my previous link to Wikipedia describing various logical fallacies.

 

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Youare right my bad. Still a great man.

mom'sfolly :

Clinton was the last president with a balanced budget, and a budget surplus. Reagan ran a deficit every year. Before that, the last president with a balanced budget was LBJ, and before that Eisenhower. You have to go back to the middle of the previous century for a republican with a balanced budget.​

 

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My niece is 19 mind you and naive. Most folk are vested in a career by now. That was her observation that's all. You post these long exhausting posts that say nothing of your opinion but merely repeat what your professor or teachers have taught you, BORING!! Ask your neighbor down the street what they think it was found on, ask someone older than you what they think about it but taking quotes out of context and applying them to a philosophical argument is lame especially when one only read the Declaration and let the document speak for itself, like I said earlier not just Christians adhere to Biblical principals. There are just too many similarities but some folk that argue against the notion are simply ignorant of what is actually a Biblical principal. Nothing I can do about that. No offense pal. Oh, did the emancipation proclamation frame anything?
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It was long because the statements in support of the assertion that this country was NOT founded upon Christian ideals are numerous.

Lincoln's religious affiliations are up to debate, and any conversion to a deeper belief in Christianity are attributed only to his time in the White House, after the death of his son. Regardless of that, Lincoln was president almost one hundred years after the Declaration of Independence, and cannot be counted as one of our "founding fathers" who constructed the framework for our country.

"34 and still in school" is neither entirely accurate (I'm a returning student...I began my "second time around" last spring, to complete 5 semesters for a new degree that will allow me to begin graduate school for clinical psychology) nor creepy (your 19YO niece is "fresh out of school" as you described me earlier, and perhaps her views will change as she gets older

). I would hardly call "creepy" the notion that an individual wanted more from life than was possible in his current line of work, and returned to school later in life to better himself. Even if this characterized me as "creepy" it has nothing to do with the information I present. This logical fallacy is an ad hominem. See my previous link to Wikipedia describing various logical fallacies.

 

[WriterofWords]

Holy Cow,, I'm 47 and back in school yet again with another degree in education to support what I already have. If he's creepy I'm an ax murderer lol!!!! The world looks so different at 19 doesn't it? She'll look back someday and see that in a different light.

 

[AquaEyes]

Nothing of what I have posted in this thread was taught to me by my current professors. I completed my American history requirements long ago, and this information was gained from independent research into primary sources which was initiated by the counter-claims that this country was founded upon Christian ideals. I desired to find out what the founding fathers actually said, what they were reading that influenced their opinions, etc. I posted facts, not opinion, because they are the basis of my argument. I cannot argue against someone's opinion. If someone says "I think this person is great" then there is nothing I can say which will prove that assertion to be incorrect. If someone says "this person did this" then that is open to argument. Thus asserting "this country was founded upon Christian ideals" is open to argument because that statement is incorrect based on an overwhelming body of data.

What "the neighbor down the street" thinks is irrelevant to what the founding fathers thought, and that's why, to form my opinion, I seek facts closer to the original source. If I desired to know what a founding father believed and how it affected the construction of our country, I would choose to read what they wrote, rather than ask my neighbor.

My quotes are hardly out of context. You claim "there are just too many similarities" and I claim "there are just too many differences." Remember, whenever "God" or "Creator" are mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, nowhere does it say "God of the Christian Bible." The God of the Deists was the force that set things in motion, but did not interfere thereafter. That is very different from the God of the Christian Bible.

If your niece is "naive" then what was the purpose of inserting her opinion to your post?

I was already vested in a line of work. I was no longer satisfied. I chose to seek another, which required a new degree. It may sound hard to believe, but I actually wanted more than working just under 40 hours a week for over $50k gross a year. It was fine for me at the time, but then I decided to move on. Doing so has required significant financial sacrifice now for future benefit. Is that still "creepy"?

I, also, mean no offense whatsover. This is the main reason I argue facts, not opinion. Your opinion is yours, but facts belong to no one.

And as to whether or not this country was founded upon Christian ideals, the John Adams quote in my signature appears in the Treaty of Tripoli, signed by John Adams when he was our second president. There it is, on paper, official international government document, written in 1796 and approved as law in 1797. The neighbor down the street's opinion somehow doesn't seem as significant as that fact.

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It was long because the statements in support of the assertion that this country was NOT founded upon Christian ideals are numerous.

Lincoln's religious affiliations are up to debate, and any conversion to a deeper belief in Christianity are attributed only to his time in the White House, after the death of his son. Regardless of that, Lincoln was president almost one hundred years after the Declaration of Independence, and cannot be counted as one of our "founding fathers" who constructed the framework for our country.

"34 and still in school" is neither entirely accurate (I'm a returning student...I began my "second time around" last spring, to complete 5 semesters for a new degree that will allow me to begin graduate school for clinical psychology) nor creepy (your 19YO niece is "fresh out of school" as you described me earlier, and perhaps her views will change as she gets older

). I would hardly call "creepy" the notion that an individual wanted more from life than was possible in his current line of work, and returned to school later in life to better himself. Even if this characterized me as "creepy" it has nothing to do with the information I present. This logical fallacy is an ad hominem. See my previous link to Wikipedia describing various logical fallacies.

 

[KristyHall]

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Who is creepy? I think I missed something

 

[AquaEyes]

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Who is creepy? I think I missed something

See below.

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