NM just doesn't pay worth squat, it's why they come here for cheap tuition in college, get a start and then leave to higher paying states.
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I googled average teachers salary by state and it varies by state but in a range of 35K to 67K. Texas average was 43K.
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That's supposed to be the national average. I'm sure California and the high cost NE states pay in the mid 60's. I also understand that the average is for teachers with more than 15 years or so. I'm sure it probably depends on union or non union.
My son in law is a special needs teacher down in Padre Island. My daughter said that when he got his Masters and qualified for the job he would be at 60K. She may have been exaggerating. I don't know. Kids always want you to think highly of them and their spouses. Of course I don't know how long the program he works in will get funding. Poor people and special needs usually get the ax before others.
I heard a wealthy businessman from Germany on the radio. He was asked how he felt about paying 50% of his gross earnings in taxes. He responded that he wouldn't feel right being rich in a poor country with people living on the streets and no health care. You don't hear that sentiment too much here. Maybe Bill Gates, Of course he could finance the entire public school system with his billions. He used to be the worlds richest man but gave away over 1/3rd of his assets. I have respect for people like that.
Teachers are a special breed IMO. I think the vast majority of Americans feel the same way. It's just that the nay sayers have the biggest microphones and make it seem like things are different than they really are.
That's supposed to be the national average. I'm sure California and the high cost NE states pay in the mid 60's. I also understand that the average is for teachers with more than 15 years or so. I'm sure it probably depends on union or non union.
My son in law is a special needs teacher down in Padre Island. My daughter said that when he got his Masters and qualified for the job he would be at 60K. She may have been exaggerating. I don't know. Kids always want you to think highly of them and their spouses. Of course I don't know how long the program he works in will get funding. Poor people and special needs usually get the ax before others.
I heard a wealthy businessman from Germany on the radio. He was asked how he felt about paying 50% of his gross earnings in taxes. He responded that he wouldn't feel right being rich in a poor country with people living on the streets and no health care. You don't hear that sentiment too much here. Maybe Bill Gates, Of course he could finance the entire public school system with his billions. He used to be the worlds richest man but gave away over 1/3rd of his assets. I have respect for people like that.
Teachers are a special breed IMO. I think the vast majority of Americans feel the same way. It's just that the nay sayers have the biggest microphones and make it seem like things are different than they really are.
With my experience, degrees, and license, I could move to certain districts in AK, and make over 65K. When they figure the national average it sounds so good. But then you have to look at the lower values such as 28K and the upper values of over 75K. There was a district in the news a few months ago that the teachers were upset in because they all make over 60K, and some of them 80K, and they weren't getting a raise that year. I would be so thrilled to get just the 45K we were talking about I'd do the happy dance naked in the streets!
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Teachers can't do that. Don't post it on you tube for sure. I imagine the 75k teachers were highlighted as typical. Look at how high cost of living is in AK. 75k would be the same as 28k in Tx. When they start the new pipeline up there it will really go up.
Teachers can't do that. Don't post it on you tube for sure. I imagine the 75k teachers were highlighted as typical. Look at how high cost of living is in AK. 75k would be the same as 28k in Tx. When they start the new pipeline up there it will really go up.
$45k in a place like NY would mean living in a closet! That same $45k here (for us at least) would mean a pretty nice increase in our "quality of life". Heck if rumor is true (all the tall tales) then that same $45k in Mexico would make you a millionaire. That is precisely why I didn't try and talk about anywhere else but the city I live in and the school district within this city. It just would not be remotely accurate to try and put this COL with that salary or vice versa.
Not exact on topic, but also not exactly off either, but I was snooping at different states hoping to get some kind of CLUE of what type situation we'd be in if DH (upon graduation) was offered a position in this or that state. That's YEARS off, but what can I say... any excuse to avoid matching socks. Anywho, I've been snooping at lots of different things but I find it a very interesting thing what they say about "Great Places To Retire" because that not only includes tax rates but also crime rates, education, just all sorts of things. And I've been fascinated by what I've found. Texas is okay, mainly because it's one of the... what is it seven?... state that don't enforce a state income tax, but as mentioned earlier we do have sales tax on most things that varies but for here is 1 cent for every 12.5 spent. But that tax is NOT applied to groceries, not like in Arkansas. Memaw (my great gran) griped about Clinton and the rest 'til the day she died for that crap! But then this is the lady who loved Foghorn Leghorn so go figure. Boy I miss her, she was a hoot! Anyways, just snooping around and comparing states in a general way and already I've seen DRASTIC differences in income, COL, median home price, unemployment rates and so on... so no, no way I'd assume anything about any area but the one I actually know.
Not exact on topic, but also not exactly off either, but I was snooping at different states hoping to get some kind of CLUE of what type situation we'd be in if DH (upon graduation) was offered a position in this or that state. That's YEARS off, but what can I say... any excuse to avoid matching socks. Anywho, I've been snooping at lots of different things but I find it a very interesting thing what they say about "Great Places To Retire" because that not only includes tax rates but also crime rates, education, just all sorts of things. And I've been fascinated by what I've found. Texas is okay, mainly because it's one of the... what is it seven?... state that don't enforce a state income tax, but as mentioned earlier we do have sales tax on most things that varies but for here is 1 cent for every 12.5 spent. But that tax is NOT applied to groceries, not like in Arkansas. Memaw (my great gran) griped about Clinton and the rest 'til the day she died for that crap! But then this is the lady who loved Foghorn Leghorn so go figure. Boy I miss her, she was a hoot! Anyways, just snooping around and comparing states in a general way and already I've seen DRASTIC differences in income, COL, median home price, unemployment rates and so on... so no, no way I'd assume anything about any area but the one I actually know.
LOL with my luck I would be the one someone filmed from the window! I've been looking around at moving, but now with the government deciding teachers are an unnecessary evil the job safety just isn't there.
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I don't know when public school became the villain or teachers the harbingers of doom. They both seem to be a popular target, and if you support them, then you are somehow tainted.
Chickenred...teachers aren't the ones who have to fight Washington, it is every citizen. A school has may 25-35 teachers for every 500 students; the parents, grandparents etc of those children are the ones responsible for making education reform. Those 25 teachers cannot make any change that the 250+ other adults involved in the school do not want.
Here in Texas, teacher aren't unionized, local districts have state mandated caps on local funding (due to inequities across the state), state mandated textbooks and curriculum, and close to the lowest per capita spending on schools in the nation. This shows in a multitude of ways, none of which is a problem with teachers, but is a problem for teachers.
There are 6 high schools, 10 middle schools, and 31 elementary schools in my district, which has about 45,000 students and 2700 teachers, with 25% of the teachers having advanced degrees. Everyday there are more people moving to this area. We literally cannot build schools fast enough for the area's growth. Administrative costs run from a high of about 9% in 2001 to less than 5% for last year; there just isn't a lot of fat to cut.
I spent 14 hours yesterday working at our spring PTA fundraiser. So did many other parents. We raise money so our children can have shade on the playground, technology in the classrooms, meaningful field trips, teacher training materials, teacher training, library books, classrooms supplies, afterschool clubs, science programs and many other things. What we as a PTA cannot do is pay teacher or other salaries. I spend at least as many hours as a school volunteer as I do as a paid crossing guard.
I often feel that the biggest critics of public education either have an agenda or are so disconnected from schools that they don't have a clue what goes on in them. I have a relative who was firmly in the camp of "you just need to cut off schools tap, they are always asking for more money and doing less". It is amazing to see how his tune has changed since he has a personal investment in the system in terms of his children's education. I have neighbors who complain about the PTA asking for money, but they are never the ones I see volunteering at the school or even going to PTA meetings. It is very easy to critic a system that you only know from rumors and gossip, news media coverage of politics and every sensational school failure and increasingly, from churches that preach against public schools.
Chickenred...teachers aren't the ones who have to fight Washington, it is every citizen. A school has may 25-35 teachers for every 500 students; the parents, grandparents etc of those children are the ones responsible for making education reform. Those 25 teachers cannot make any change that the 250+ other adults involved in the school do not want.
Here in Texas, teacher aren't unionized, local districts have state mandated caps on local funding (due to inequities across the state), state mandated textbooks and curriculum, and close to the lowest per capita spending on schools in the nation. This shows in a multitude of ways, none of which is a problem with teachers, but is a problem for teachers.
There are 6 high schools, 10 middle schools, and 31 elementary schools in my district, which has about 45,000 students and 2700 teachers, with 25% of the teachers having advanced degrees. Everyday there are more people moving to this area. We literally cannot build schools fast enough for the area's growth. Administrative costs run from a high of about 9% in 2001 to less than 5% for last year; there just isn't a lot of fat to cut.
I spent 14 hours yesterday working at our spring PTA fundraiser. So did many other parents. We raise money so our children can have shade on the playground, technology in the classrooms, meaningful field trips, teacher training materials, teacher training, library books, classrooms supplies, afterschool clubs, science programs and many other things. What we as a PTA cannot do is pay teacher or other salaries. I spend at least as many hours as a school volunteer as I do as a paid crossing guard.
I often feel that the biggest critics of public education either have an agenda or are so disconnected from schools that they don't have a clue what goes on in them. I have a relative who was firmly in the camp of "you just need to cut off schools tap, they are always asking for more money and doing less". It is amazing to see how his tune has changed since he has a personal investment in the system in terms of his children's education. I have neighbors who complain about the PTA asking for money, but they are never the ones I see volunteering at the school or even going to PTA meetings. It is very easy to critic a system that you only know from rumors and gossip, news media coverage of politics and every sensational school failure and increasingly, from churches that preach against public schools.
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I don't know when public school became the villain or teachers the harbingers of doom. They both seem to be a popular target, and if you support them, then you are somehow tainted.
Chickenred...teachers aren't the ones who have to fight Washington, it is every citizen. A school has may 25-35 teachers for every 500 students; the parents, grandparents etc of those children are the ones responsible for making education reform. Those 25 teachers cannot make any change that the 250+ other adults involved in the school do not want.
Here in Texas, teacher aren't unionized, local districts have state mandated caps on local funding (due to inequities across the state), state mandated textbooks and curriculum, and close to the lowest per capita spending on schools in the nation. This shows in a multitude of ways, none of which is a problem with teachers, but is a problem for teachers.
There are 6 high schools, 10 middle schools, and 31 elementary schools in my district, which has about 45,000 students and 2700 teachers, with 25% of the teachers having advanced degrees. Everyday there are more people moving to this area. We literally cannot build schools fast enough for the area's growth. Administrative costs run from a high of about 9% in 2001 to less than 5% for last year; there just isn't a lot of fat to cut.
I spent 14 hours yesterday working at our spring PTA fundraiser. So did many other parents. We raise money so our children can have shade on the playground, technology in the classrooms, meaningful field trips, teacher training materials, teacher training, library books, classrooms supplies, afterschool clubs, science programs and many other things. What we as a PTA cannot do is pay teacher or other salaries. I spend at least as many hours as a school volunteer as I do as a paid crossing guard.
I often feel that the biggest critics of public education either have an agenda or are so disconnected from schools that they don't have a clue what goes on in them. I have a relative who was firmly in the camp of "you just need to cut off schools tap, they are always asking for more money and doing less". It is amazing to see how his tune has changed since he has a personal investment in the system in terms of his children's education. I have neighbors who complain about the PTA asking for money, but they are never the ones I see volunteering at the school or even going to PTA meetings. It is very easy to critic a system that you only know from rumors and gossip, news media coverage of politics and every sensational school failure and increasingly, from churches that preach against public schools.
More and more churches have their own schools now. I've never understood the tax exempt status of churches. They are a business and a very profitable one at that. Your last paragraph hit it out of the park.
I don't know when public school became the villain or teachers the harbingers of doom. They both seem to be a popular target, and if you support them, then you are somehow tainted.
Chickenred...teachers aren't the ones who have to fight Washington, it is every citizen. A school has may 25-35 teachers for every 500 students; the parents, grandparents etc of those children are the ones responsible for making education reform. Those 25 teachers cannot make any change that the 250+ other adults involved in the school do not want.
Here in Texas, teacher aren't unionized, local districts have state mandated caps on local funding (due to inequities across the state), state mandated textbooks and curriculum, and close to the lowest per capita spending on schools in the nation. This shows in a multitude of ways, none of which is a problem with teachers, but is a problem for teachers.
There are 6 high schools, 10 middle schools, and 31 elementary schools in my district, which has about 45,000 students and 2700 teachers, with 25% of the teachers having advanced degrees. Everyday there are more people moving to this area. We literally cannot build schools fast enough for the area's growth. Administrative costs run from a high of about 9% in 2001 to less than 5% for last year; there just isn't a lot of fat to cut.
I spent 14 hours yesterday working at our spring PTA fundraiser. So did many other parents. We raise money so our children can have shade on the playground, technology in the classrooms, meaningful field trips, teacher training materials, teacher training, library books, classrooms supplies, afterschool clubs, science programs and many other things. What we as a PTA cannot do is pay teacher or other salaries. I spend at least as many hours as a school volunteer as I do as a paid crossing guard.
I often feel that the biggest critics of public education either have an agenda or are so disconnected from schools that they don't have a clue what goes on in them. I have a relative who was firmly in the camp of "you just need to cut off schools tap, they are always asking for more money and doing less". It is amazing to see how his tune has changed since he has a personal investment in the system in terms of his children's education. I have neighbors who complain about the PTA asking for money, but they are never the ones I see volunteering at the school or even going to PTA meetings. It is very easy to critic a system that you only know from rumors and gossip, news media coverage of politics and every sensational school failure and increasingly, from churches that preach against public schools.
More and more churches have their own schools now. I've never understood the tax exempt status of churches. They are a business and a very profitable one at that. Your last paragraph hit it out of the park.
Yep, right on the nail head!
mom'sfolly :
I don't know when public school became the villain or teachers the harbingers of doom. They both seem to be a popular target, and if you support them, then you are somehow tainted.
Chickenred...teachers aren't the ones who have to fight Washington, it is every citizen. A school has may 25-35 teachers for every 500 students; the parents, grandparents etc of those children are the ones responsible for making education reform. Those 25 teachers cannot make any change that the 250+ other adults involved in the school do not want.
Here in Texas, teacher aren't unionized, local districts have state mandated caps on local funding (due to inequities across the state), state mandated textbooks and curriculum, and close to the lowest per capita spending on schools in the nation. This shows in a multitude of ways, none of which is a problem with teachers, but is a problem for teachers.
There are 6 high schools, 10 middle schools, and 31 elementary schools in my district, which has about 45,000 students and 2700 teachers, with 25% of the teachers having advanced degrees. Everyday there are more people moving to this area. We literally cannot build schools fast enough for the area's growth. Administrative costs run from a high of about 9% in 2001 to less than 5% for last year; there just isn't a lot of fat to cut.
I spent 14 hours yesterday working at our spring PTA fundraiser. So did many other parents. We raise money so our children can have shade on the playground, technology in the classrooms, meaningful field trips, teacher training materials, teacher training, library books, classrooms supplies, afterschool clubs, science programs and many other things. What we as a PTA cannot do is pay teacher or other salaries. I spend at least as many hours as a school volunteer as I do as a paid crossing guard.
I often feel that the biggest critics of public education either have an agenda or are so disconnected from schools that they don't have a clue what goes on in them. I have a relative who was firmly in the camp of "you just need to cut off schools tap, they are always asking for more money and doing less". It is amazing to see how his tune has changed since he has a personal investment in the system in terms of his children's education. I have neighbors who complain about the PTA asking for money, but they are never the ones I see volunteering at the school or even going to PTA meetings. It is very easy to critic a system that you only know from rumors and gossip, news media coverage of politics and every sensational school failure and increasingly, from churches that preach against public schools.
I don't know when public school became the villain or teachers the harbingers of doom. They both seem to be a popular target, and if you support them, then you are somehow tainted.
Chickenred...teachers aren't the ones who have to fight Washington, it is every citizen. A school has may 25-35 teachers for every 500 students; the parents, grandparents etc of those children are the ones responsible for making education reform. Those 25 teachers cannot make any change that the 250+ other adults involved in the school do not want.
Here in Texas, teacher aren't unionized, local districts have state mandated caps on local funding (due to inequities across the state), state mandated textbooks and curriculum, and close to the lowest per capita spending on schools in the nation. This shows in a multitude of ways, none of which is a problem with teachers, but is a problem for teachers.
There are 6 high schools, 10 middle schools, and 31 elementary schools in my district, which has about 45,000 students and 2700 teachers, with 25% of the teachers having advanced degrees. Everyday there are more people moving to this area. We literally cannot build schools fast enough for the area's growth. Administrative costs run from a high of about 9% in 2001 to less than 5% for last year; there just isn't a lot of fat to cut.
I spent 14 hours yesterday working at our spring PTA fundraiser. So did many other parents. We raise money so our children can have shade on the playground, technology in the classrooms, meaningful field trips, teacher training materials, teacher training, library books, classrooms supplies, afterschool clubs, science programs and many other things. What we as a PTA cannot do is pay teacher or other salaries. I spend at least as many hours as a school volunteer as I do as a paid crossing guard.
I often feel that the biggest critics of public education either have an agenda or are so disconnected from schools that they don't have a clue what goes on in them. I have a relative who was firmly in the camp of "you just need to cut off schools tap, they are always asking for more money and doing less". It is amazing to see how his tune has changed since he has a personal investment in the system in terms of his children's education. I have neighbors who complain about the PTA asking for money, but they are never the ones I see volunteering at the school or even going to PTA meetings. It is very easy to critic a system that you only know from rumors and gossip, news media coverage of politics and every sensational school failure and increasingly, from churches that preach against public schools.
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