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[Cetawin]

uummmm yes yes he did believe it because it was the truth.....I was actually shocked because I thought I had miscalculated when I put the second batch in or forgotten to go into lockdown on time or something weird. This was my first stagger hatching attempt but the little bugger is a cutie patootie. Sarah now has to fight Cheyenne (and maybe DH soon) in order to get it away from here.

 

[speckledhen]

I believe Gloria Jean hatched out eggs from Marans with MS and it was passed through the eggs to the new chicks, Amy, not from someone coming onto her property. MS/MG passes down through the egg, which is why I don't want to hatch from "recovered" birds because there really are no such things with those particular diseases.

I agree with LH. You can't go insane, just be as cautious as is reasonably possible. I bought a pair of shoes to wear to her place. I won't burn them when I get back but will soak them in oxine, then they will become my "off property" shoes and my current "off property" shoes will become my new "chicken shoes".

 

[rancher hicks]

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Uuuuh, excuse me? Nick, if you have a disease outbreak in your flock, and you're aware of it, then letting a single bird off of your property is probably not only in violation of a number of state ordinances regarding diseased birds, but it would be danged unethical to do as well! http://planetsmilies.net/not-tagged-smiley-10238.gif Get them tested boy! You have a moral obligation to do so before you even let other chicken fanciers view your birds, let alone rehoming a single one!

And fer gawds sake! IF you even suspect that you do have a virulent disease in your flock, Nick, DO NOT go traipsing into your local feed store wearing the same shoes you wear out around your chickens. Just ask Gloria Jean [aka crazyhen] how easily these things can get spread! She lost her entire flock because of one single thoughtless person who visited one day, carrying the disease on his shoes!

So I'm reading this and thinking. How does Crazyhen know who the person was and when her flock got infected? See the thing is, it's been advised not to buy from folks who won't let you see how their birds are kept.

Plus I visited a place where the birds were in poop so bad you couldn't see a wood chip in sight, inside the coop. Not to mention a section with chicks that had only a red light for light, no window or nothing. I was shocked by this so called expert. It's doesn't take that long to clean a coop and I hire Jesse for $7.25 an hour and it took him four hours but to me it's money well spent.

Now while I do sell at auctions I don't buy. Never, never , never. In fact if I didn't have to be there to get my money, I'd just drop them off and leave.

Don't know what MS and MG is, so what is it and how do birds get it? I've heard on here that there hasn't been a reported case of pollurum in a long time. Is that true?

One thing I do know, is this past years outbreak of salmonella was traced back to cleanliness. Seems to me it's better to keep a few clean and healthy birds than lots of birds you can't keep up with.

Thanks
Rancher

 

[speckledhen]

Mycoplasma Galliseptum and Mycoplasma Synovaie, two components of Chronic Respiratory Disease (CRD), Tim. Those are things that NPIP does not test for unless you pay extra and request it. That's why I cringe when folks are so happy buying from NPIP or becoming NPIP and think that means they are free and clear as far as disease--it isn't necessarily true because NPIP doesn't always go that far, though Gloria Jean did have hers tested every four months for those diseases.

 

[rancher hicks]

Cynthia this is for you.

The new PP magazine had a definition in it's A-Z section on "Pendulous Crop".

" A condition sometimes seen in chickens and turkey, the muscles that hold and contract the crop don't work properly and the corp becomes distended and hangs down.

The contents are usually fairly fluid and sour and ,k if the birds is held upside down, will likely drain out. Possible causes include gluttonous eating, and excessive drinking in hot weather and digestive problems, However , as some strains appear more susceptible than other, this would indicate genetics may play a part too.

Some birds may recover, but most will become emaciated before dying or being culled. Treatment would involve surgery and as such is rarely worthwhile."

I've had this happen with a Del and BO, both hatchery birds from my beginning flock. I try to keep lots of "insoluble grit" available and watch those extra greens and scratch. Lord knows they will pig out if you let them.

Rancher

 

[rancher hicks]

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Wouldn't these become apparent? Wouldn't there be signs of these at least in some of the flock? When these show up wouldn't it mean all the birds are infected, or do you just cull the ones that show positive? How common are these? What does Gloria do if she has a positive test? Are these common in commercial farms? Can they be passed on to humans?


Thanks

Rancher

 

[Cetawin]

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Wouldn't these become apparent? Wouldn't there be signs of these at least in some of the flock? When these show up wouldn't it mean all the birds are infected, or do you just cull the ones that show positive? How common are these? What does Gloria do if she has a positive test? Are these common in commercial farms? Can they be passed on to humans?


Thanks

Rancher

Tim, yes it is apparent and when the symptoms popped up, if I recall correctly, she had them tested. Yes, all of them get it and she did cull all of her birds. It does not transmit to humans and it can run rampant in commercial farms.

Soil removal and completel disinfecting beyond the normnal is required. If I remember correctly, she not only disinfected till her fingers bled practically but she moved her coop to another area. As with buying the eggs...unless the supplier specifically tests for it, eggs can be hatched carrying the disease and then the entire flock is infected...which is what happened to GLoria Jean. As with most chickens...they really hide illness until they are very sick which is time enough to infect everyone.

Cyn I must get some oxidine or that other stuff Kathy was talking about....

 

[crazyhen]

Just to clarify,
My flock was tested and was neg. 2 months before I went on vacation. There were people on my property feeding up, some I had not ask due to a risk , also I introduced some marans that I had hatched . One week later I had the ms outbreak. None had ever shown any symtoms prior to my leaving. We had a very cold spell that stressed my hens while I was away. I have an enclosed run but without roof. My coop is roofed and floored. The vet tec. said it could have been either of the two above or wild bird droppings we are not sure. I was told that ms last on surfaces about 9 days but on feathers and manure longer. I have sanitized as well as possible, put in sand and repainted my coop on the inside. I have put in new linoleum in the part where I had wood only. etc. I used virkron s to finish up the cleanning. It has been three months since my clearing out my flock. Today I have some beautiful new chicks, now totaling 30

They are st run so I hope to have enough hens for nice flock. I will use denagard when the chicks go out. I am finally happy again. I have NH, Ameracaunas, and BR from Kathyinmo, Orps and Dell from Beth. When they get 4 months I will have them tested also.
Nick the vet who checks my flock dresses in a special suit, and foot covers before he checks a single hen. You do not have to burn a yard for that either. I have never heard of that.
Do not assume you have a disease. If I were you I would get them checked just for the peace of mind. Gloria jean

 

[Serrin]

Thank you for clarifying that Gloria Jean. I was about to think I had lost my mind. I knew that you and I had discussed the possible vectors of the outbreak, and I knew that it involved possibly the caregivers you employed while on vacation, but I just couldn't remember where you and I had had that conversation. Thanks for saving me hours of pouring over emails, pm's and postings, trying to find it!

I'm so glad to hear that your new little babies are coming along so well. I continue to pray that you never face such a horrible situation, ever again!

 

[Inkheart]

I aGREE that i hope it wont happen again - but to me is long as regular clening is done i sort of refuse not to let mine free range - mainly cause it is partly why so many people come and say they look so healthy - all tyhe grass and bugs and moles LOL. I have sparrows in my barn and i do worry about their droppings BUT two years and nothing - knock on wood. I sort of think of it like my friends that are teacherts and nurses - the more they are exposed to germs the more immunity they build up. And the people that constantly use hand sanitizer - they dont allow themselves to be exposed to things enough to help build up natural immunities. I woulds go nuts if i worried all the time, Just my opinion -