Yes, I used the B vitamins. I crush a little tiny bit off a tablet and add to their water.
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Yes, I used the B vitamins. I crush a little tiny bit off a tablet and add to their water.
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B vitamins can also be found in liquid form. Thanks to SCG I found out they can help with nerve damage. I have a lav AM roo who hurt his leg running away from a dog (this was weeks ago) he is doing much better. Now of course the only problem is that he now thinks he lives in the barn and knows the special treat routine for him. I don't think he will move back into the coop with the other chickens but he does hang out with them when I let them free range.
For the person asking about medicated feed for poults, I do use medicated game bird feed for the chicks and poults when they hatch. I have never had a problem with it.
For the person asking about medicated feed for poults, I do use medicated game bird feed for the chicks and poults when they hatch. I have never had a problem with it.
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Im sure I missed it somewhere in the last few pages but I have new ducklings about 2 weeks old ish. I havent found the right Niacin to add to their water yet. I bought the wrong kind first and found out here its incorrect. Will my duckilings be ok because I didnt start them on niacin from day 1. I hope I have luck at the store today. They are on Dumor chick starter for feed.
Oh speaking of feed I need to go buy my Turkey starter feed today. Only 2 poults have hatched and today is day 29. One turkey egg is pipped this morn, 3 still no action and still nothing from my 3 Marans eggs on day 22.
Oh speaking of feed I need to go buy my Turkey starter feed today. Only 2 poults have hatched and today is day 29. One turkey egg is pipped this morn, 3 still no action and still nothing from my 3 Marans eggs on day 22.
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Well folks, I finally caught up reading the thread. I also just set 8 duck eggs, Rouen and Pekin, plus 3 Old English Games. . . . .I think.
I also candled the eggs that Wisher sent me.
The tally.
BCMs: 8 good, 1 cracked(but patched with wax), 1 quitter and 2 duds.
OE/EE: 3 good, 1 questionable(may have just quit, not sure)
2 others: 1 good and 1 dud.
My chicken egg tally.
RIR: 7 good, no duds
PR: 5 good, 3 duds
NHR: 3 good, 1 dud
I candled the turkey eggs too! 8 good, with great veining, and 1 questionable. This coming Wednesday I'll candle the 12 RIRs I set as Tutors on the 17th. You know, I've now dedicated a calender just to keep track of these staggered hatches!
I also candled the eggs that Wisher sent me.
The tally.
BCMs: 8 good, 1 cracked(but patched with wax), 1 quitter and 2 duds.
OE/EE: 3 good, 1 questionable(may have just quit, not sure)
2 others: 1 good and 1 dud.
My chicken egg tally.
RIR: 7 good, no duds
PR: 5 good, 3 duds
NHR: 3 good, 1 dud
I candled the turkey eggs too! 8 good, with great veining, and 1 questionable. This coming Wednesday I'll candle the 12 RIRs I set as Tutors on the 17th. You know, I've now dedicated a calender just to keep track of these staggered hatches!
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since he was a BB the protein was too high.. I've had them die from the same thing when the protein was too high for them.. But Heritage turkeys do better on the higher protein feed... just gotta watch those broad breasted guys.. they will start out limping then keel over on you very quickly
I have a BBW poult that had funky wings when she came from the hatchery & started limping almost right away. The wings have mostly straightened out but her 1 knee is really bad & her toe tucks under on that side. I feed a mix of 22% & 18% mixed with corn, oats, sweet mix & beef chop (over 3/4 is crumbles) & she is the only bird with a problem with her legs. Pretty sure her's was poor breeding to begin with since she arrived with issues. She gets around ok, but limps really bad.
sounds like her issue is genetic.. or a niacin deficiency
bad legs on a normal weight bird (for it's age) are usually caused by a lack of niacin, bad genes, or injury like a predator attack..
but if you have a "healthy" bird that is gaining weight rapidly (which is what the high protein feeds will do) their weight will cause leg issues since the bone isn't strong enough to support their weight.. in those birds a heart attack or flip usually comes soon after their legs start having issues... some will just up and die before that if too much bulk (fat usually) builds up around their hearts
the niacin issue can show up in both heritage and broad breasted birds (as well as other poultry like emu, ducks and geese)
but "flip" from too much protein is restricted to the fast growing birds like cornish cross, some strains of the 'freedom ranger" type birds and broad breasted turkeys
Not a high protien issue & she's almost exactly the same weight as the other poult from that hatch date so either they are both way too small or they are both girls. They are about the same weight as the red broilers who are a week older & the white broilers that are 3 weeks younger. To he that says 2 hens. I had another poult in that order that had wing issues & it only lasted about 2 days. I didn't think this 1 was going to make it either, but she's a fighter. She just has a bad leg & foot. Could be niacin I guess, but I would think that would affect the other poult & all of the ducks as well & they are all fine. I use an "all-flock" style feed so it should have plenty of niacin for ducklings & poults.
Nope..niacin deficiency is an individual thing
From Metzer Farms
"What if only a few of my birds have leg problems? Variability within a flock is normal. Each bird varies on how well it forms niacin from tryptophan, either due to genetics or the different microflora in their gut. It would not be unusual to have a single flock of birds, with some exhibiting a niacin deficiency and others walking perfectly normally - but all eating the same feed. "
Hmmmm...could be niacin then. She gets around ok for now but probably won't once she gets heavier. Kinda figured she would just end up getting processed early, or is this something that will kill her before she's big enough to process.
if she goes down on her legs she may very well end up dead .. if from nothing else than being able to move about and feed properly..
so long as she's still moving around ok you can try giving her extra niacin and see if you can catch it before it gets any worse... but if it's a genetic issue extra niacin won't help
I will have to separate her to make sure she gets the niacin. I have her in with 19 broilers & about 20 other chicks. Trying to remember what works best for niacin. Yeastor am I not remembering right.
How old is she?..
You can use regular niacin from the store (human vitamins)
if you use a 500 mg tablet you can just break it into quarters and add 1/4 of the tablet to the drinking water (one tablet is good for about 4 gallons of water.. so 1/4 tablet per gallon)
I usually just crush the tablets up and sprinkle it into everyone's feed since I don't separate them from their buddies.. But then again our chick starter is lacking in niacin for the ducks.. and I use gamebird starter for the turkey poults.. (our gamebird starter has enough niacin for the poults).. so i use it as a preventative.
if you're adding it to the feed keep in mind that one 500 mg niacin tablet has enough niacin for around 45 to 50 ducks.. so you would only need a pinch for the poult if he eats all his food.. otherwise some of the niacin will settle to the bottom of the dish.. so a bit more never hurts
I would have to check the dosage for Brewers yeast since I don't normally use it.
an alternative is liquid B vitamins.. if you use a brand that delivers 20 mg of niacin per dropper.. so a half dropper would work for a poult that's around 4 weeks of age if you're direct dosing
I wonder if B vitamin tablets would work for a duckling? If it hatches I know I'll need something to help it get what it needs.
yup.. since our local starter feed for chicks, ducklings and goslings is deficient in Niacin I add either niacin or the B vitamins to their feed and water from the first feeding..
the chicks do fine on it... but if I don't supplement the waterfowl they start getting weak legs
however if your feed has plenty of niacin.. then you shouldnt need to supplement unless you have the odd bird that has a hard time utilizing it
Our feed store stopped selling regular chick starter and switched to medicated. I haven't read the info tag on it yet (I have no idea why) and the only thing I know is that I can't feed it to quail. Even though we've had ducks for years I'm still learning about them. I think the medicated starter may be the reason we didn't lose Ducky. We've had really bad luck with mallard hens for the past few years and I've been trying to figure out how it keep from losing them.
what kind of "bad luck" are you talking about? (looking for symptoms)
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since he was a BB the protein was too high.. I've had them die from the same thing when the protein was too high for them.. But Heritage turkeys do better on the higher protein feed... just gotta watch those broad breasted guys.. they will start out limping then keel over on you very quickly
I have a BBW poult that had funky wings when she came from the hatchery & started limping almost right away. The wings have mostly straightened out but her 1 knee is really bad & her toe tucks under on that side. I feed a mix of 22% & 18% mixed with corn, oats, sweet mix & beef chop (over 3/4 is crumbles) & she is the only bird with a problem with her legs. Pretty sure her's was poor breeding to begin with since she arrived with issues. She gets around ok, but limps really bad.
sounds like her issue is genetic.. or a niacin deficiency
bad legs on a normal weight bird (for it's age) are usually caused by a lack of niacin, bad genes, or injury like a predator attack..
but if you have a "healthy" bird that is gaining weight rapidly (which is what the high protein feeds will do) their weight will cause leg issues since the bone isn't strong enough to support their weight.. in those birds a heart attack or flip usually comes soon after their legs start having issues... some will just up and die before that if too much bulk (fat usually) builds up around their hearts
the niacin issue can show up in both heritage and broad breasted birds (as well as other poultry like emu, ducks and geese)
but "flip" from too much protein is restricted to the fast growing birds like cornish cross, some strains of the 'freedom ranger" type birds and broad breasted turkeys
Not a high protien issue & she's almost exactly the same weight as the other poult from that hatch date so either they are both way too small or they are both girls. They are about the same weight as the red broilers who are a week older & the white broilers that are 3 weeks younger. To he that says 2 hens. I had another poult in that order that had wing issues & it only lasted about 2 days. I didn't think this 1 was going to make it either, but she's a fighter. She just has a bad leg & foot. Could be niacin I guess, but I would think that would affect the other poult & all of the ducks as well & they are all fine. I use an "all-flock" style feed so it should have plenty of niacin for ducklings & poults.
Nope..niacin deficiency is an individual thing
From Metzer Farms
"What if only a few of my birds have leg problems? Variability within a flock is normal. Each bird varies on how well it forms niacin from tryptophan, either due to genetics or the different microflora in their gut. It would not be unusual to have a single flock of birds, with some exhibiting a niacin deficiency and others walking perfectly normally - but all eating the same feed. "
Hmmmm...could be niacin then. She gets around ok for now but probably won't once she gets heavier. Kinda figured she would just end up getting processed early, or is this something that will kill her before she's big enough to process.
if she goes down on her legs she may very well end up dead .. if from nothing else than being able to move about and feed properly..
so long as she's still moving around ok you can try giving her extra niacin and see if you can catch it before it gets any worse... but if it's a genetic issue extra niacin won't help
I will have to separate her to make sure she gets the niacin. I have her in with 19 broilers & about 20 other chicks. Trying to remember what works best for niacin. Yeastor am I not remembering right.
How old is she?..
You can use regular niacin from the store (human vitamins)
if you use a 500 mg tablet you can just break it into quarters and add 1/4 of the tablet to the drinking water (one tablet is good for about 4 gallons of water.. so 1/4 tablet per gallon)
I usually just crush the tablets up and sprinkle it into everyone's feed since I don't separate them from their buddies.. But then again our chick starter is lacking in niacin for the ducks.. and I use gamebird starter for the turkey poults.. (our gamebird starter has enough niacin for the poults).. so i use it as a preventative.
if you're adding it to the feed keep in mind that one 500 mg niacin tablet has enough niacin for around 45 to 50 ducks.. so you would only need a pinch for the poult if he eats all his food.. otherwise some of the niacin will settle to the bottom of the dish.. so a bit more never hurts
I would have to check the dosage for Brewers yeast since I don't normally use it.
an alternative is liquid B vitamins.. if you use a brand that delivers 20 mg of niacin per dropper.. so a half dropper would work for a poult that's around 4 weeks of age if you're direct dosing
I use fermented feed, so adding the yeast to a small portion & feeding her separate would likely be the best way to go so I don't have to waste it on the other 50 birds in the pen who don't need it.
you should be good to go then.. I feed fermented too.. just have to swap the newest ducklings, goslings and chicks over to it this week as a matter of fact
yuppers
Ceocka-I'm so sorry for your loss. I've never heard of an incubator going berzerk before.
yup.. there have been several threads on bators doing that very thing.. I had quite a few Brinseas go nuts on me and think that they were actual egg cookers and not incubators.
I always keep a bottle on hand for direct dosing any bird that has an injury or leg issue (plus I use them on myself.. lol)
Dumor has plenty of niacin.. so you're good there. No need to add additional to it
IF i can make it in town when I have ducklings or goslings I grab a bag.. then I don't have to worry about additional niacin.. the problem is I don't go into town (Killeen or Lampasas) very often
There is supposed to be a second thermometer that will not let the incubator go too high. It is usually ste at 101. If yours is set up that way, then both controllers failed.
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