I want to develop a dual purpose city-friendly line, thus the interest in low/non crowing. I'm sure they'd still vocalise to some extent, but I want to try to get it to be as infrequently as possible during the day, and for it to be shorter/softer so as to be less obtrusive to city/suburban environments. There doesn't seem to be much info out there. I'm starting from the idea of basically reading about breeding for long-crowers, and then doing the opposite but as with anything, there may be exceptions or things I haven't thought of, so input is welcomed. I have searched on the the-coop.org site and saw a few years ago there was someone experimenting with the idea, but didn't find any updates. I figured I start by asking: Have you noticed any differences in length of crowing between specific breeds that you have kept? If you've noticed specific breeds that were quieter, which ones? Or do you find it random with short and long crowers appearing in the same lines? Or somelines are random/mixed and others are more homogenous? If you noticed specific lineages (that you have) tend to be short/non crowing, would you be open to possibly sharing some eggs? I'd love if people could record their roosters and share the audio/video of them with a notation on what breed(s)/lines they are.... I'm hoping a "library" of rooster crows with related data on the roosters' background would give me an idea of what breeds/lines to start with, and then i can start apply selection to this foundation.