Self Blue (Lavender) Silkie Thread

[bacres]

Welcome! I read your signature and yor like me I have silkies, khaki campbells, and call ducks! What color calls do you have? Off topic sorry.

 

[ninejw]

So I have been trying to follow along with this thread....I just recently learned that my eggbid hatched chick who looks like a partridge (what i originally thought) is really a lavender split bird. The breeder said she has them mixed in a pen with blue and blacks. Will this chick look blue or lavender when it feathers out? And should I breed him to lavender or to blue and blacks to get a visible lavender or just a bird with that same recessive gene? Theoretically any of these silkies hatched from her could carry the gene too but look blue or black probably, right? Sorry, I still need clarification on this.

I will post a pic so u can see what the chick looks like. the chick in question

other chicks hatched from her

 

[Three Cedars Silkies]

Since you got the eggs from me, I'll try to answer!!

I actually emailed Deb and asked her the exact questions. Here is her reply:

"When we hatch lavender chicks, some have chipmunk stripes, but that doesn't make them any less lavender than the chicks that are hatched with even lavender down color. As long as they come from a black base, they seem to have even coloring as adults. The only difference I have seen in the chicks without the stripes is they tend to have black combs and extremely black skin, otherwise - lavender is lavender. If you truly have and breed 2 black/lavender split birds - you will get 25% blacks that do not carry lavender at all, 50% blacks that are splits, and 25% lavender chicks. (Also you will have NO way to identify the blacks that are not splits compared to the blacks that are carrying lavender) That is the genetics. If you don't get some lavender from that breeding, then one or more of your birds isn't carrying lavender. If you breed splits to a lavender bird, your percentages will increase to 50% lavender and 50% splits."

In the pen that your eggs came from are the following: 4 black hens, at least 2 of which are split/lav (carrying one lavender gene); all of them could be split lavs but there is no way to know for sure; 4 splash hens (not carrying the lavender gene); 1 black split/lav male (black but carrying one lavender gene); one splash male (not carrying lav gene); one blue male (not carrying lav gene). Now that said, the busiest boy is the black/split lav

I have a rooster high rise condo and I rotate them in with the girls.

So the possibilities are many. Blacks, black/split lav, splash, blue, and perhaps a pure lavender. The pure lavender (see above) would be about 25% of the 2 black/split lav matings.

I think I feel another pen being built for just black/lav

I'm going to borrow a friends beautiful lav. male that she got from Bren last year!! That will increase our odds exponentially!!

 

[Michele_Lynd]

Boy Im learing a hole lot here All i can say is I want Lav's now ,But saddly

I will have to wait untill next yr before I get one

 

[Brody's Broodello]

It is so nice to have others confirm what I have told my buyers in the past about how I bred for,breed to get the Lav color silkies. It seems that all the secrecy about the breeding of Lavenders has finally come out. I know for the longest time , no one would tell anyone how,what they were breeding to get the Lav color. I know so many people were like"what, striped chipmunk color chicks" they can't be Lavender they must be partridge!

 

[SunshineSilkies]

I am just sitting back and soaking all of this in!!! Thanks for the exceptional information!

 

[brenTx]

Brody's Broodello :

It is so nice to have others confirm what I have told my buyers in the past about how I bred for,breed to get the Lav color silkies. It seems that all the secrecy about the breeding of Lavenders has finally come out. I know for the longest time , no one would tell anyone how,what they were breeding to get the Lav color. I know so many people were like"what, striped chipmunk color chicks" they can't be Lavender they must be partridge!

You folks never asked Deb and I did you? Secret???? heck you haven't met us at a show to swap stories either.

I LOVE to share about silkies and espcially Lavenders. When we are talking stripes there are different looking types of color in what I have seen you guys post. Mine are about 50% solid and 50% stripes. The non stripes are less fluffy at hatch but quickly catch up. Mine ALL look a pale pastel blue, lavender color though. I haven't seen any brown, beigh, partridge looking chicks. I can always pick the non striped chicks out as they get older by the dark dark combs and beaks. We still don't know if there is any advantage to one or the other. I think it is just what appeals to your eye. By the way...another word for your lavender chat...lizards. When Donnie saw the first non striped chicks that came from my black crosses he was quite puzzled and said "that looks like something prehistoric, a lizard". So that has stuck and I call these darker less fuzzed chicks lizards.

It makes sense to me.

Follow this and you can see pictures of my two types of chicks. Oh, I haven't been hiding this website either.

http://brensbirdsofparadise.com/2009 lavender chicks.htm​

 

[Brody's Broodello]

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You folks never asked Deb and I did you? Secret???? heck you haven't met us at a show to swap stories either.

I LOVE to share about silkies and espcially Lavenders. When we are talking stripes there are different looking types of color in what I have seen you guys post. Mine are about 50% solid and 50% stripes. The non stripes are less fluffy at hatch but quickly catch up. Mine ALL look a pale pastel blue, lavender color though. I haven't seen any brown, beigh, partridge looking chicks. I can always pick the non striped chicks out as they get older by the dark dark combs and beaks. We still don't know if there is any advantage to one or the other. I think it is just what appeals to your eye. By the way...another word for your lavender chat...lizards. When Donnie saw the first non striped chicks that came from my black crosses he was quite puzzled and said "that looks like something prehistoric, a lizard". So that has stuck and I call these darker less fuzzed chicks lizards.

It makes sense to me.

Actually I did ask you guys about them. I was referring to the people who contacted me asking about the color, they kept saying that they asked those who had them for sale, breeding them etc. and no one would tell how they were breeding their birds. So when I told them about my breedings etc, I would get some strange comments. Like " that is not what so & so told me, or you can't get that color by breeding that way, you must have something else in there" You need to breed" xjc-2 gene, to the factor of 12, minus the square root of 1, etc." lol

 

[brenTx]

To me it is really simple. I breed with birds I KNOW are carrying two lavender genes and I get more lavender birds carrying two genes. I feel it is just knowing what created your lavenders. If you don't have lavenders or maybe only one of them you can cross and start a few generations back and breed up to full lavenders. Right now I am finding a lot of people wanting extra cockerels for other color projects. I don't pretend to understand all that but if my cull lavenders are good for what they are doing GREAT. I have three very nice type boys right now that are showing the brassy color I want rid of. Mostly it is the males who need the work with feather color and comb conformation. I like smoother combs. But in most varieties I have bred, the males are they challenge. I'll keep a lesser male to breed with if he is a natural breeder before a EXCELLENT male who has to be AI. That is just ME, lazy I guess.

 

[Brody's Broodello]

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