Sex- linked Information

[Dead Rabbit]

ive read the production reds are a cross of rir and nw hamp. reds. and i mistakenly said my hens were red. they are solid white. they are rhode island whites. so with this knowledge does your answer still hold?

im looking to try something over my whites to make sexlinks. but sexlinks with outstanding production abililities. i know the rir is the go to breed but was wondering if there was another "red" type rooster that has equivalent abilities to the rir and will make golden pullet offspring when he is crossed to my riwhite hens.

thanks.

 

[nicalandia]

ive read the production reds are a cross of rir and nw hamp. reds. and i mistakenly said my hens were red. they are solid white. they are rhode island whites. so with this knowledge does your answer still hold?


thanks.

it still holds because the roo you will be using is a golden rooster S/s+ instead of gold s+/s+ rooster. so you will not be able to sex the chicks at hatch..

im looking to try something over my whites to make sexlinks. but sexlinks with outstanding production abililities.

thanks.

do your RIW have Outstanding production Abilities? do you know of any RIR rooster that comes from a 320+ eggs per year line? I doubt it... but you could use the Hybrid male over them and your hens will have a higher production abilities than your normal RIW and RIR..

 

[Dead Rabbit]

it still holds because the roo you will be using is a golden rooster S/s+ instead of gold s+/s+ rooster. so you will not be able to sex the chicks at hatch..



do your RIW have Outstanding production Abilities? do you know of any RIR rooster that comes from a 320+ eggs per year line? I doubt it... but you could use the Hybrid male over them and your hens will have a higher production abilities than your normal RIW and RIR..

they have just started laying. they started at the 5 month age range. ive been averaging 9 eggs outa 12 pullets. couple days now, ive hit 100%......but they still arent even 6 months old yet. so i cant really say how well they are doing. i had a hard time getting these hens and i havent found anyone else that has had personal experience with them either. so the jury is out for now. but i did get them for the intent of making a sexlink hybrid. not just some run of the mill sexlink like i see many asking about but something for production value as the highest priority.
thats why im looking for a superior rooster, or breed, and was wanting something different than the tried and true RIR which isnt the best layers by todays standards. i was hoping the production red roosters would be the answer........
now you speak of the hybrid male......are you speaking of the hybrid male that is "brother" to the typical red/golden sexlink hens? the occasional one you get when you order sexlink pullets. they are white with golden hackles and saddles? is this the one you are speaking of?

 

[nicalandia]

...are you speaking of the hybrid male that is "brother" to the typical red/golden sexlink hens? the occasional one you get when you order sexlink pullets. they are white with golden hackles and saddles? is this the one you are speaking of?

Yes... they also carry exceptional utility traits that will pass along to their progeny

 

[Dead Rabbit]

Yes... they also carry exceptional utility traits that will pass along to their progeny

excellent.

now just so i got it carved into my mind......these sexlinked roosters (brothers to the typical sexlink pullets) they will produce red/golden pullets that are sexlinked at hatch, and white roosters. so i should be able to produce sexlinked with exceptional ability,,,,as long as these RIW hens produce well also, being parent stock.

 

[Ridgerunner]

What color is the rooster you are considering using? From reading the last several posts I’m not sure if you are talking about a red rooster that is supposed to be a cross between a RIR and New Hampshire, or a golden sex-linked rooster of who knows what parentage. Can you post a photo?

Part of my problem is that I don’t know what “Production Red” means genetically. There is no law that says different hatcheries can’t use the same name for different things. Are they a cross between two red breeds, are they sex links, or are they something that the hatchery has developed using red chickens? I don’t know where you got yours. Did the specific hatchery you got it from tell you the parentage of that specific rooster or are you taking what one hatchery does and assuming another does the same?

A hen being white does not automatically mean she can be used to make red sex links. For a hen to be used to make a red sex link, she has to have the silver gene. Silver by itself will not make a solid white chicken. Recessive White or Dominant White are required to make a solid white hen. Silver might or might not be hiding under either of those two genes in a solid white hen. A Rhode Island White should be a solid white chicken.

I know some hatcheries use RIW hens to make sex links, Meyer for example. Nicalandia should know better than me, but I don’t know that it is a slam dunk certainty that all RIW’s have silver.

 

[Dead Rabbit]

very true. i dont know whats hiding behind the white feathers of these riw. its just a shoot in the dark. i have talked to a couple different hatcheries and this is how they are making their sexlink hybrids. many dont use a truly developed hybrid breed as was my assumption. so i thought id do the same. make them for myself, and for selling purposes

i know nothing of these production reds. ive just read they are a cross of rirXnhr. but i was looking for something "red" that had maximum production behind it. that would be better than the typical rir. its just an assumption that these production reds are truly all red. if i can come up with something thats "red" that is equal or better than a rir than i would go with that.

so i have no pics. i was just going to pic a hatchery perhaps WELP who advertise their production reds are their best layers. and order some. right now i just have the pure riw and im raising a few of them. i had good success in selling my extra roosters. most have never heard of them. so if i could sell roosters i feel like i can sell pure st run riw. perhaps at end of this summer/fall i will have a "red" rooster and start producing sexlinks with awesome laying ability to sell to the public. but as mentioned till further experimentation, i wont know if im headed in the right direction or not.

 

[Ridgerunner]

From looking at those photos it looks like that rooster should be suitable to make red sex links. Again I’ll defer to Nicalandia for a more educated assessment but I don’t see any silver there. The question to me would be if anything else is there that might affect the down color or pattern. But from looking at that and reading that, I’d take my chances.

http://www.welphatchery.com/welp-layers/production-red-female/

They said “Crosses utilizing the Rhode Island Reds and New Hampshire Reds were used to develop this breed” but I’m cynical enough to not read that as a guarantee that only RIR and New Hampshire were used.

I think your basic idea is logical. Good luck with it.

 

[draye]

What color is the rooster you are considering using? From reading the last several posts I’m not sure if you are talking about a red rooster that is supposed to be a cross between a RIR and New Hampshire, or a golden sex-linked rooster of who knows what parentage. Can you post a photo?

Part of my problem is that I don’t know what “Production Red” means genetically. There is no law that says different hatcheries can’t use the same name for different things. Are they a cross between two red breeds, are they sex links, or are they something that the hatchery has developed using red chickens? I don’t know where you got yours. Did the specific hatchery you got it from tell you the parentage of that specific rooster or are you taking what one hatchery does and assuming another does the same?

A hen being white does not automatically mean she can be used to make red sex links. For a hen to be used to make a red sex link, she has to have the silver gene. Silver by itself will not make a solid white chicken. Recessive White or Dominant White are required to make a solid white hen. Silver might or might not be hiding under either of those two genes in a solid white hen. A Rhode Island White should be a solid white chicken.

I know some hatcheries use RIW hens to make sex links, Meyer for example. Nicalandia should know better than me, but I don’t know that it is a slam dunk certainty that all RIW’s have silver.

Production Reds generally refer to chickens that are crossed brtween 2 red breeds. Some claim NH over RIR and others claim RIR over NH.
Doesn't really matter though. Yes, they can be used over silver based hens (rhode Island Whites) to make sex linked chicks that you can tell from hatch if they are male or female.

 

[Dead Rabbit]

thanks for all the help people. im torn in ordering some production reds, just to get one rooster?? or just finding me a sexlink rooster that generally is free.........