Shadrach's Ex Battery and Rescued chickens thread.

Honestly I struggle with this whole 10% thing from first principles.
If my chickens free range themselves into a sunflower patch and eat fallen seeds, did they free range healthy food or gorge on snacks?
Why do we trust them to eat the right things when they roam around and not trust them to modulate snacks?
I get that in an entirely enclosed coop and run situation where the only food is what is given by the human that they don’t have the freedom to eat well and therefore you have to be careful to provide a balanced diet. But as soon as they are out and about I don’t know how to think about it.
Sorry for the rant and I just muddle through. I guess I agree a ‘handful’ type guide would be more useful.

Tax for randomly ranting: Bernadette and Babs engaging with a bowl of wild water.

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Wild water!!! That’s it! I’ll go dump out a bucket of dirty water and they chase it around lapping it up frantically. Now I realize it has changed to wild water, not the same as that in the bucket. :gig
 
Morning X Batts. there is a bottom end of RV water tank next to the old coop.
Looked at all the photo 745 of them not once of the end.
Will take a photo later today.
This is tax for now.
 

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Wild water!!! That’s it! I’ll go dump out a bucket of dirty water and they chase it around lapping it up frantically. Now I realize it has changed to wild water, not the same as that in the bucket. :gig
You got it! When you let a hose run on the ground you are releasing water into the wild and it becomes instantly more flavorful than the same water in captivity in a chicken waterer.
It is one of life’s truths like gravity.
 
"Getting" chickens.

I talked a few days ago about my partner's father's ex-batts that he got as 18 months old retired layers. I said they don't lay anymore when ours do, although they are of the same generation and battery than ours.
Well, it seems the man had the same comparative idea that I did, because he actually called his acquaintance at the battery to negotiate on if he could get point of lay pullets for the retired hen price. (It was the case for us because when my partner got there after a two hour drive, all the retired hens had already been given away). His acquaintance agreed for eight, which he went to pick up yesterday. He complained because the price has gone from one euro to two euros.
His keeping conditions are poor (10 m 2 run and a small coop) and they will be cramped, but having seen from the outside the 15 000 hens building and heard the noise, I think they will still be better off with him. I'm sounding like C. now 😱. I didn't dare ask if he would keep the three remaining older hens ; but I will do so quickly, if he doesn't want to feed them anymore I could take them in.

In french slang we would say someone has no face (no honour). I don't know what this translates to in english.

On a nicer note about getting chickens, a longer time ago someone, I think it was Perris, asked about selling together a trio or an existing flock and some of you said they had indeed seen or done that, and that it was a convenient way of doing things for both chickens and owners. At random my partner came upon a selling ad in our equivalent of Craig list very near my parent's place just like this, a bantam rooster with four hens ; the ad states that they can not be separated and that he will only answer to serious people that give him a phone call 👍. The owner is selling an olive tree which is how my partner saw the ad, and next time we visit my parents if it's not sold we will likely buy it. If we didn't already have so many conjugal disagreement about our two roosters I would have considered getting the flock if they are in good condition.

I took this shot two days ago of Théo's flock a few minutes after sounding the general alarm. It was a high risk encounter with an unknown extremely loud possible danger that triggered this...
An angle grinder🤣.
The hen that appears and climbs down the terraces, where was she when the rooster started calling?
Note the hens with the rooster are not calling. The general alarm is contributed to by both sexes ime.
I think there's a possibility that the single hen called the rooster (maybe because the angle grinder scared her) and what you've recorded is the rooster responding.:confused:
 
We discussed the 10% rule before. I think this kind of visual doesn't really help to make it more practical, because as anyone who cooks is well aware, 10 grams of sunflower seeds will not take the same volume as 10 grams of apples or 10 grams of black soldiers fly larvas.

I understand the ten per cent is meant to impress on beginner chicken keepers that they should not give a lot of so called treats. After thinking about it I think it would be much more helpful to have some concrete specific examples for the most usual things people give that could pose a problem for their fat or low protein content : for example, don't give more than a handful of scratch daily for so many chickens, don't give more than ten sunflower seeds daily per chicken, and so on.
Fair point. Obviously I'm not a cooking fan.:D

What I was hoping the pictures might do is demonstrate the limited crop size and feeding more than once a day point I bang on about.
 
Okayish weather by Bristol standards this afternoon although it did start to drizzle on my way home.
C had been. That's mixed corn with a few pellets in the tray. What I left overnight had gone so hopefully they ate that before starting on the sweets.:old
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(Sigh) This is what I found just outside the geese enclosure.
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I guess the geese didn't get their full portion. I cleaned it up.
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We all went out. Fret got into a bit of a standoff with a large crow and Henry steaked past me; as much as a large chap like him can streak, and saw the ruffian off.:lol:
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The hen that appears and climbs down the terraces, where was she when the rooster started calling?
Note the hens with the rooster are not calling. The general alarm is contributed to by both sexes ime.
I think there's a possibility that the single hen called the rooster (maybe because the angle grinder scared her) and what you've recorded is the rooster responding.:confused:
I had the idea of filming a bit late, but in the beginning two other hens were joining Théo, Blanche and Cannelle.
The hen that's apart, Chipie, was right where she was. I think it was the rooster that started it but I'm not 100% sure, I've already seen what you describe (she's scared , she calls him, he replies, and if lasts too long other hens get scared and join in the call).
The ex-batts may have realized before Théo that there was no danger.
Honestly I struggle with this whole 10% thing from first principles.
So do I for free range chicken.
As for locked up chickens imagine if parents were told "only 10% of you child's food can be treats or junk". That's why I think it makes more sense to say no more than three glasses of coke per week.

This rule, or notion, is completely inexistent here by the way and not just in old timers farms. Although people will say not to overdo it on corn, almost every french ressource I've seen on the internet implies it's good to give suitable human food or left overs for the hens as a supplement. Not to make money on giving less layer feed but because chickens are omnivore and commercial feed isn't sufficiently diversified for them. I've seen sometimes rather elaborate recipes depending on focus- to help with molting, laying, for winter...
 
We discussed the 10% rule before. I think this kind of visual doesn't really help to make it more practical, because as anyone who cooks is well aware, 10 grams of sunflower seeds will not take the same volume as 10 grams of apples or 10 grams of black soldiers fly larvas.

I understand the ten per cent is meant to impress on beginner chicken keepers that they should not give a lot of so called treats. After thinking about it I think it would be much more helpful to have some concrete specific examples for the most usual things people give that could pose a problem for their fat or low protein content : for example, don't give more than a handful of scratch daily for so many chickens, don't give more than ten sunflower seeds daily per chicken, and so on.
In the meantime I do believe it’s a good advice to feed chickens what is healthy for them in confinement. But what is healthy for an individual chicken? It means you need to give ( ex)-bats different feed than roosters , heritage breeds and roosters.
In other words: impossible!

If you have a flock with all kind of chickens you probably shouldn’t give them 90% layer, without choice to eat what nature supplies in a green environment.

Anyway. After 8,5 years keeping chickens I don’t believe its best to give 90% layer to my flock with now 4 old Dutch who haven’t layed an egg since October. 90% layer probably isn’t a must either for the 2 bantams laying since the start of January again.
My believe is that optimised feed is important for factory farmers and people who want to make a profit.
My back yard chickens that free range, can eat
  • Every day :
Always available organic/vegan layer with 15-17% proteins and 0,35-0,4% Ca + a handful scratch + oyster and grit + whatever they find in the run with good soil with lots of organic material in it from autumn leaves and chipped wood
  • Some days/often:
whatever they find free ranging in the garden + leftovers ( the yummie and healthy ones) + some old fruit 🍎 🍌 + crushed eggshells + a few mealworms + songbird seeds (still hoping for the chickens to sing like a sparrow or a nightingale).

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2 broodies in February :he
And Kraai didn’t even lay an egg this year.
What optimised feed do they need? 🤣

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Damp but not raining as such, 10C, grey and uninspiring.
C had been. More mixed seeds. There were quite a few pellets left over from what I left last night.
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That small pile of rocks is what I dug out of the area where the chickens are grabbing the bugs that were under the stones.
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It's a bit of a mess under the tufts of grass. I've dug up fine bird mesh and rocks and geo textile cloth mainly. I thought this stuff, apart from the rocks which have just been dumped there was meant to stay on the surface.:lol:

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I've undone quite a few screws on the old coop. My hope is to take it out in sections rather than smash it to bits and spend the next few hours hunting for srews, nails etc.
This is the nest box roof joint. It was teeming with bugs. The other joints I've brocken open are much the same. The coop is alive with bugs! One would have to submerge the entire coop in permethrin to get them all.:D

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