Shadrach's Ex Battery and Rescued chickens thread.

Seems like a workable method Fuzzi, though the turning seems redundant from what I've read too. Here's an overview of current thinking on the topic:

Incubation

First note that research on this is almost entirely focussed on how to improve hatchability and quality of chicks incubated in huge numbers in artificial incubators; when hens and natural incubation get a mention, it is almost always merely as a base reference point. Ironically, one of the latest techniques being tried (SPIDES) sort of mimics the behaviour of a hen building a clutch, so maybe one day soon I’ll have an answer to the question I’m really interested in (which is the effect of repeated short term heating and cooling on the developing embryo as the broody or other hens sit on it to build the clutch); but I’ll just park that for now and focus on the key takeaways for a backyard wannabe broody assistant.

Best results have been got with eggs stored between 3 and 7 days; this graph (from Brake et.al. Egg Handling and Storage 1997 Poultry Science 76:144–151) illustrates it.

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The albumen changes over time (notably, its ph), and its suitability for the embryo drops off more or less sharply after the first week. But very fresh isn’t ideal either (that chimes with my emergency Venka hatch where the only one that didn’t make it was the freshest one).

The concept of ‘physiological zero’ has been superseded by the notion of ‘embryonic diapause’ because there is development going on in the blastoderm (and some cells are dying) while in storage. There is at least one critical point in this early development where, if conditions are adverse, the mass of identical/ nearly identical cells that the blastoderm is, cannot differentiate into the wide variety of cell types needed to make all the different bits of the body of the chick (called pluripotency), and that leads to early embryonic mortality (usually mistaken for infertility).

Eggs that are stored longer may develop more slowly (than those stored for shorter times) when they resume development and not catch up, which could lead to them being left behind when the broody leaves the nest (because she has to look after the chicks that hatched earlier). Or they may not :th This quote is specially for Shad :D : “the biological age of an embryo from a 14-d stored egg lags behind that of an embryo from a 4-d stored egg (Fasenko and Robinson, 1998). This observation was made even though the chronological ages of the embryos were the same. In examining embryonic development every 3 hr for the first 12 h of incubation, it was determined that the development of the embryos from 14-d stored eggs began to lag behind as early as 6 hr into incubation. Further to this, it was determined that not all embryos responded the same way to long-term storage. Some embryos of long-term stored eggs, even after exposure to normal incubation temperatures for 12 h, had not initiated any development. Other embryos advanced in development, but not at the same rate as embryos from short-term stored eggs. Perhaps the most interesting result obtained was that there were some embryos from long-term stored eggs whose development was equal to that of the short-term stored eggs” Fasenko, Egg Storage and the Embryo 2007 Poultry Science 86:1020–1024.

Turning: the focus in the research papers on storage stage is almost entirely focussed on temperature and time. Even relative humidity barely registers; the tolerances there are huge. As a personal aside, I never turn eggs in storage and (as I have learned from this reading) my hatch rate is sometimes better than the industry standard. The Brazilian paper observations on turning, which are very useful and relevant to the incubation stage, I already gave in an earlier post, so I won’t repeat here.

Other relevant tidbits:

Eggs laid by older hens develop faster than eggs laid by younger hens.

If you manipulate the temperature going in or out of storage, do it slowly. Abrupt temperature changes can be damaging.

A lot of detail remains unknown, e.g. exactly how many embryonic cells need to survive storage in order to successfully resume development, and this, from one of the leaders in the field, from 2021: “Our understanding of the molecular mechanisms underlying the relationship between storage temperature and development stage within the DW [diapause window] is rather limited”.

Good luck with the hatch when it happens!
Good information, thank you!
 
And tax...

Before (collards plant):
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After (40 minutes):
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There was nothing left the next day...
 
Chatting to my friend who keeps ranging Light Sussex chickens again. I asked him how much he spends on feed. I know he makes his own. He's got 11 chickens at the moment and he estimates he spends £75.00 a month. 30% of their diet is meat/fish. I've seen his chickens and they look very fit. I don't feel quite so crazy now.:p
I run farm numbers at the end of each year. Commercial feed consistently hovers at $50/chicken annually.

We have feed delivered, so this figure includes transport; otherwise I'd be adding the cost of the 3-hour round trip to purchase better feed than they sell in our county.

The figure doesn't include...
  • grit
  • calcium
  • high-quality scratch and additional grains and dried fruit for our special "treat" mix
  • produce from the grocery store in fall/winter when the garden isn't producing
  • mealworm-farming supplies (wheat bran and carrots)
  • the occasional can of sardines, cup of greek yogurt, etc.
Rough estimate would be $68-69/chicken annually with all of this rolled in.

Not sure how many chickens your friend has, but converting my costs to GBP, £75/month would cover maybe 17 chickens, if I got the math right.

Chicken-financials tax:
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thanks; but I really can't claim any credit, as I just happened to be in the right place at the right time and focussed on Tintern as a birth-week boy (25 of them that day), with shutter speed prioritized because they all move so damn fast, when he jumped on Quenell and Fforest then charged in from off stage left, and a moment later the camera shutter flipped :gig I love the way Tintern's looking over his shoulder as well as the heart shape his wings make. I also think I see Fforest's rear feathers facing backwards so to speak as he does an emergency stop (he didn't crash into Quenell at all).
You should probably go ahead and claim the credit, since what you described is the essence of photography: being prepared with your equipment at the right time and place 😜

Chickens make fantastic subjects for honing photography skills because they move so quickly and strike so many impressive poses in the process.
 
This quote is specially for Shad :D
Don't really know then.:D It's one of those it depends answers.

I don't recall any hens stepping off the nest after laying and turning all the eggs so their orientation was uniform.
I have seen what has been normal in my experience hens gather the eggs in a nest before laying their most recent.

If keeping them cool helps to reduce the chances of early unsupervised incubation one might have thought the hen would push all the laid eggs out from underneath her when she lays.

Thinking a bit about the "slip the latest laid eggs under a broody."
What exactly is going on here?
Are people taking the eggs from the hens nest and storing them?
How does the hen go broody in a natural manner? Does she go broody out of desperation and hope the keeper gives her some eggs?
Why take the eggs at all if one intends the hen to sit and hatch?

Reprtedly Jungle fowl hens lay 7 to 9 eggs and procede to sit on them. My Finnish friend writes his land race hens lay around 10 before going broody.
It may be a good idea to incubate 20 eggs in an incubator but for a ranging hen that is reliant on forage to feed her chicks there is no way she'll be able to feed them all.

So, what's going on with all these spare eggs getting slipped under a broody hen?
 
Not sure how many chickens your friend has, but converting my costs to GBP, £75/month would cover maybe 17 chickens, if I got the math right.
He has 11 chickens currently. It varies with hatch additions.
I'm not suggesting he, or I are the norm. Most people do not spend amounts like this on feed or feed the same foods.
If he's feeding 30% meat or fish that is rather cheap.
 
Are people taking the eggs from the hens nest and storing them?
How does the hen go broody in a natural manner? Does she go broody out of desperation and hope the keeper gives her some eggs?
Why take the eggs at all if one intends the hen to sit and hatch?
I read lots of strange stories on BYC too. Lots of people want to buy chicks to slip them under a broody 😳.

Not everyone can let a broody do as she thinks is right. For one thing, she doesn’t understand that her eggs are infertile if there is no rooster around to mate with her.

So whenever I have a broody and I want a few chicks this is what I do:
I take the infertile eggs from the broody, and lay fake eggs in the nest because the laid eggs are fine to eat when fresh.
I look for an address to buy fertilised eggs of a breed I like to have.
Make an appointment, pick them up, mark them, and let the eggs rest for a day (this time with the pointy end up).
And finally I switch the fake eggs with the hatchery eggs and start counting.
 
Two hours today. It stayed dry as forcast but it was noticably cooler than yesterday; cold in fact.:p
I've taken to walking a couple of miles to the bus stop at the nest village where the train also stops. Had a chilly East wind against me the whole way and despite the walking I was pretty cold by the time I got on the bus.

Mow was better today than she was yesterday. She needs a dust bath. Her underside is a bit yukky due to the transfer of Vaseline from her legs to her feathers.I treated her again this evening and did Henry's legs while I was at it.
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