Shadrach's Ex Battery and Rescued chickens thread.

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But it prompts a serious point. I can't remember the last jerk here. I'm beginning to wonder if that is another phenomenon manufactured by unnatural keeping conditions.
I'm sure it's a factor. Cillin was around this age when he moved in with Ruffles and Fat Bird. While he had space, his upbringing after his mum got predated was far from natural because I dragged him up basically, as I have a few that acquiring Glais has brought to mind over the last couple of days.
Cillin turned out fine, as did the others, bar one I can think of. The hardest part for me was to get him to understand that I didn't want to be boss, I wanted him to be boss and I would try to support him while he made the transition from boy to man.
Cillin kept close to me and didn't venture far afield mainly because he needed to avoid the other males who had their own tribes so having lots of space didn't seem particularly important to him while safety (mainly my house) did. It was just fortunate that Ruffles and Fat Bird didn't have a rooster at the time and also used my house as a place of safety, and food of course.

While one can get some idea of a cockerels underlying temperament at around six months, one can't easily predict what they will be like once they mature and that's around one year old to eighteen months old in my experience.

Glais is off to a good start. He has two hens that will follow him, finding food isn't a problem for him, he's got somewhere to live and there isn't any competition provided I can make him realise I'm not in the running.
It's worked out well in the past.:fl
 
it prompts a serious point. I can't remember the last jerk here. I'm beginning to wonder if that is another phenomenon manufactured by unnatural keeping conditions.
I wondered about this too. It would be a great question (poll) for a new thread.

Not sure if you get answers. Unfortunately not much BYC keepers have experiences with both natural and unnatural keeping conditions and roos. But tagging the ones who have truly free ranging chickens might give at least an idea. If people chime in with roos in confinement, you can compare the two.
+ Im afraid the people who live in a climate with cold winters can’t truly free range whole year.

In fact you need answers to several questions. Like:
- do you free range the whole day or 24/7?
- do you cull all surplus cockerels?
- do you ever need to kill a cockerel because his behaviour is intolerable?
- can your chickens choose where to sleep ?
- is there enough food the whole day or 24/7?
 
I wondered about this too. It would be a great question (poll) for a new thread.

Not sure if you get answers. Unfortunately not much BYC keepers have experiences with both natural and unnatural keeping conditions and roos. But tagging the ones who have truly free ranging chickens might give at least an idea. If people chime in with roos in confinement, you can compare the two.
+ Im afraid the people who live in a climate with cold winters can’t truly free range whole year.

In fact you need answers to several questions. Like:
- do you free range the whole day or 24/7?
- do you cull all surplus cockerels?
- do you ever need to kill a cockerel because his behaviour is intolerable?
- can your chickens choose where to sleep ?
- is there enough food the whole day or 24/7?
why don't you run one?

Another question you really need to ask is whether the roo(s) was/ were raised at the property by a broody within the flock, or whether they've been imported as cockerels/roos, or raised in such a way as they might just as well have been strangers, rather than members of the existing flock.
 
Eight hours today,
Great to meet Perris after all these years of internet friendship. They arrived on time, in the right place with Glais. Can't ask for more than that.:love

We went for the deep end introduction. Got Mow and Sylph in the coop run, unboxed Glais in the run and stood back with fingers crossed. It went very well. No fuss or drama, unless one counts Sylph going "ohhh, he's gorgeous." I thought she would be a push over.:cool:

I put food down as usual and they all ate together. No fuss there either unless one counts Glais insisting he stood in the tray to eat.:D

I sat in the extended run chair and let them get on with it. Glais did a minimal amount of the herding shuffle, niether Mow or Sylph objected and off they went to explore, Mow and Sylph following Glais with poor old me more or less forgotten about.:hit:lol:

They did the extended run first. They moved as a group and Glais didn't have to do any herding, meaning Mow and Sylph were more than happy to follow his lead; both moving in close when Glais found something edible. I think Glais encouraged them to try plants they may not have tried before.
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A really big plus for Glais is once out of the extended run and in the field he led them to cover, the only close cover in that part of the field in fact. Major points for Glais here and he kept them there, or reasonably close for much of the day.
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A bit of exploring at the far end of the extended run still keeping close to each other.
Half an hour before roost time they headed back to just outside the coop run for a preen and more food.
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The hour or so before roosting time has been in my experience a peak time for mating attempts. I was lucky enough to in the coop run when Glais chest bumped Sylph and she crouched and Glais obliged.:celebrate What's more, he chest bumped Mow a bit later and Mow didn't crouch and Glais moved away.:celebrate

I thought there might have been a problem at roost time. In an established group the rooster usually goes to roost first. Mow and Sylph hung around outside for longer than usual. possibly waiting for Glais to inspect the coop, but once I had encouraged Sylph and Mow to go in, Glais followed up the ramp, made those friendly nesting calls a rooster does and followed them in.
There was a bit of shuffling around and I left them to sort themselves out for ten minutes or so and then took this picture quickly and shut them all in.
Looks like they've got it sorted.
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Gosh, he’s grown so much since the last time we saw him! He’s such a stunning cockerel.
Very glad it all seems to be going smoothly; looks like a natural upbringing does have a lot of benefits.

Thank you for this “collab” of sorts, it has brought some pleasant news to us all
 
I wondered about this too. It would be a great question (poll) for a new thread.

Not sure if you get answers. Unfortunately not much BYC keepers have experiences with both natural and unnatural keeping conditions and roos. But tagging the ones who have truly free ranging chickens might give at least an idea. If people chime in with roos in confinement, you can compare the two.
+ Im afraid the people who live in a climate with cold winters can’t truly free range whole year.

In fact you need answers to several questions. Like:
- do you free range the whole day or 24/7?
- do you cull all surplus cockerels?
- do you ever need to kill a cockerel because his behaviour is intolerable?
- can your chickens choose where to sleep ?
- is there enough food the whole day or 24/7?
Ummm....we come pretty close to year round free range. I have a single coop and NO run. The only time I don't open the coop doors is when temps are -10⁰F (-23⁰C) and will be staying there all day. I do provide feed year round, but the quantity consumed varies throught the year due to the availability of forage. I'm working on increasing forage options. However, most rural keepers around here do things similarly (excepting the forage options). Typically, the old/extra birds are part of the farm/ranch food supply. Not everyone allows birds to brood, so the reproduction/ breed mix side varies dramatically and contributes to the large hatcheries. Predation does happen, but people are usually willing to shoot /trap ground predators. Air attacks....birds are on their own as birds of prey are protected.

Cold: do chickens like/tolerate snow? Depends upon the depth/crust. If they have places clear of the snow that they can get to, they still prefer being outside. Sleeping out isn't desired, but does happen....including brooding....
 
I wondered about this too. It would be a great question (poll) for a new thread.

Not sure if you get answers. Unfortunately not much BYC keepers have experiences with both natural and unnatural keeping conditions and roos. But tagging the ones who have truly free ranging chickens might give at least an idea. If people chime in with roos in confinement, you can compare the two.
+ Im afraid the people who live in a climate with cold winters can’t truly free range whole year.

In fact you need answers to several questions. Like:
- do you free range the whole day or 24/7?
- do you cull all surplus cockerels?
- do you ever need to kill a cockerel because his behaviour is intolerable?
- can your chickens choose where to sleep ?
- is there enough food the whole day or 24/7?

I have been keeping the bantam flock cooped up for about three years, with the exception of a few weeks last year.

The Tsouloufati group has been a work in progress, and a ranging group for over a decade.

Until relatively recently, I did now hatch any chicks here, nor were there any broodies to do it naturally.


In that time, across all pens, I have been attacked by two males, as have the hens (though different ones).

The bantam pen is currently hen-only, all of which have gone broody at some point, and most of which have raised at least one chick.
Feed is available 24/7. All three mature cockerels and roosters that had at some point led the group were not human aggressive. Same goes for the immature cockerels that were given and/or eaten before they turned 6 months old.
No female aggression either.

The Tsouloufati group ranges (or rather, did). Summertime ranging is usually from 7-9 am to 8:30-9:30pm. Wintertime ranging is from 7 am to 6:30pm.
Feed is available 24/7, and they get given scraps once or twice daily, as well as what they can find while foraging.
Up until this year, there have been no broodies in the group. There is one broody-raised two year old, Lucia. She was raised by Cruella in a coop situation.
She’s hands down the best forager on the property, a frequent tree hugger (something she no doubt picked up from her adoptive mother), and the only bird so far to fly beyond the property, to the forest below, and find a way to come back safely. From what I’ve gathered, her laying cycles are very balanced as well.
She had a brother, who I have mentioned before. Gorgeous male, but he terrorised the hens a lot. Dragging them off the roosts to mate was a daily activity for him.
He was culled a few weeks before his first birthday, and to this day he is the only sexually mature LF male that’s been raised by a broody (though there is a possibility Big Red was partly broody raised as well, but I don’t know that, as the information I was given about his past was limited).
Speaking of Big Red in his brother, that’s been one of my biggest mistakes. I decided once they hit the 6 month mark to raise them completely cut off from chicken society (and nature)
At around 9months, Big Red was introduced to the biggest Tsouloufati hen on the property (a now senior that’s still with us); that didn’t end well. Big Red was ok with the two Brahmas that I got for him one year later (one of which was Galadriel’s mother), but he never bonded to the hens, nor did he treat them the same way Kolovos or Lady Gaga did with theirs.

All other LF males that once called the property home, were brooded up in the house and were with the main group around the 8 week mark. After that, they lived just like the adults. Every male after Kolovos that came into the group had at least one adult male role model, and many female.
Lady Gaga was put in with Cruella and Ursula when he was 4 months old, and in his tragically short life, he never got to share his tribe with another adult rooster.

TLDR(isn’t that how it’s written :p ?): Two serious hen “rapists” here (excluding the few adolescent males that were rather aggressive with their early mating attempts, since they were culled at 4 months old). One, a broody-raised male, very in-tune with chicken society, and got to range from 7 weeks onward.
The other, not familiar with chicken society at all.
Both were (eventually) culled for it.

All the chickens, no matter the age and upbringing, have a wide variety of perches, roosting options, and the ability to pick where they want to roost. The seniors prefer the top nests, the adult hens prefer the top of Big Red’s old coop, and the adolescents not belonging to any mother choose the bamboo roosts at the back end of the coop
 
You know how best to deal with Mow, but if you wanted to treat her, I'd expect him to take it in his stride. I don't give treats via roos as you do, so he's used to seeing a keeper giving treats out to anyone (though I don't hand feed, I just put stuff on the ground and then [usually but not always] withdraw; I hold onto the bowl to teach chicks that I'm a friend).

Yes.

He hatched (with Hay, Merioneth and Talgarth) on 3rd May. He was brooded by Oxwich (her first brood).

I'm pretty sure his mum is Dyffryn, though it could be Janeka or Puffin (only their eggs in the clutch). I think his dad is Fforest, because Dyffryn usually hangs out with him, and he has white shanks. (Killay, Gwynedd, Tintern and Hensol have slate shanks, and Dyffryn has slate shanks, so if any of them were his dad, Glais would have slate shanks too, but his are white.)
He's a baby!
:D
 
I wondered about this too. It would be a great question (poll) for a new thread.

Not sure if you get answers. Unfortunately not much BYC keepers have experiences with both natural and unnatural keeping conditions and roos. But tagging the ones who have truly free ranging chickens might give at least an idea. If people chime in with roos in confinement, you can compare the two.
+ Im afraid the people who live in a climate with cold winters can’t truly free range whole year.

In fact you need answers to several questions. Like:
- do you free range the whole day or 24/7?
- do you cull all surplus cockerels?
- do you ever need to kill a cockerel because his behaviour is intolerable?
- can your chickens choose where to sleep ?
- is there enough food the whole day or 24/7?
I have fully contained bantams, in 16'x8'x6'high hoop coops. In response to a query about roosters being jerks I posted this elsewhere, think it qualifies:

Roosters

I've only dealt with 4 roosters since 2023 when I brought home Sussex chicks.

Joel was brooder raised, no adult hens. He was friendly with me except as a cockerel, but I don't recall anything besides a peck or so as his hormones raged. He became a good roo, took care of his gals, and tolerated Samuel. One day he had a seizure and died, 13 months old.

Samuel took over, and I didn't notice anything amiss about how he treated the gals. One day he attacked me as I was bent over getting an egg out of the nesting box. My face was bruised, sore and I had a cut next to my eye. Samuel went on my list, his time was limited. Martha had brooded five chicks, I found one lying cold with a peck hole in its head (he revived), but when I caught Samuel attacking his own chicks, I removed him, permanently.

Little Chick, the pecked one, became Zaccheus. He was raised by the hens, mercilessly. When he started feeling his oats he tried attacking my legs. It didn't hurt, so I just stood there. After a few days of futile assaults on my legs he gave up, and we've had a good relationship since. When Rahab hatched chicks he was curious, but gentle. He's a good roo.

About six weeks younger than Zaccheus is Silas. He never gave Zack any issues, and when he was about a year old I gave him his own coop with his own gals. He only went after me once when I was sitting on a chair inside the run, trying to treat an injury on one of his hens. She squawked, and he slammed me in the legs. I said in a quiet voice "What do you think you're doing?" and he backed off, looking confused.

My current roosters never have been petted or cuddled, they respect me and I respect them. I give them treats to give to their gals, so I don't usurp their position.

Not all roosters are jerks.
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As a PS to this group, I want to point out that jerk Samuel was petted and groomed (back of neck) by me. Since he turned out to be a jerk I no longer try to pet my roosters. I rarely touch my hens except for occasional health checks.
 
My rooster experiences are probably not typical because most of the cockerels I’ve raised went to live with my mom…so I had them up for up to six months then I get to hear how they turned out from her. Here are three of their stories:

Clint: BCM raised as a high school breeding project with two other cockerels and a pullet then during his hormonal time by my mom’s flock in a large run. Rarely handled except to move. He is a great rooster, not human aggressive and good to his hens.

Opie: lavender Orpington raised with other pullets. He is an infertile jerk—human aggressive and not great with the hens but keeps Flash from being rapey.

Flash: Olive Egger raised by a broody hen and then cut loose in my mom’s flock. He is an ass. Not human aggressive but terrible to the hens without Opie’s influence.

My current rooster came from a friend’s landrace and is probably EE mixed with game. I don’t know if he was brooder by a hen or hatched in an incubator but he was raised with a free range flock and is excellent on all fronts.

From this limited experience I can only conclude that cockerels raised by people in confinement with pullets of the same age have a stronger chance of being human-aggressive. But there is no fool-proof method to getting a good rooster except not tolerating a bad one.
 
But there is no fool-proof method to getting a good rooster except not tolerating a bad one.
This. When I see people asking for advice after their aggressive rooster has spurred their toddler I just want to respond "soup".
 

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