Shark snipers Wine dots NEW HATCHES and puppies 1/24/2011 update

[seminolewind]

Seems like 2 racing/homing pigeons have lost their way and made themselves at home in my coop. Sheesh. I live in pigeonville, this area has thousands of racing pigeons, and the coops are sometimes bigger and more expensive than the houses (it looks like it but not really). It must be big business/hobby. There's even a shop over here for owners, and they do ship live from the post office here. I don't know what these 2 pigeons are worth-but how much would lost racing pigeons be worth? Not much, LOL

 

[Phage]

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Put them in the r-com in a piece of egg carton Sem... seems to work really well. Yah the "trays" allow them to tip over... i agree.

Yea, rather than buy a new bator, I am really happy with it otherwise. I've never had breech babies before this bator.

Phage, you too? I didn't realize that there were more that have had this problem .

Yes it is has been a problem with chickens and peas for myself and a friend of mine who is using one. The bators are meant to be good for pea eggs, being on their sides, but it definitely produces more breech. He noticed a higher breech rate than with a sportsman. I really only saw it was such a problem when I was also using a hand tipped brinsea, and that produced less breaches.

I have to say though, the "turn on and walk away" ease of use is amazing. I left mine on when I went to Europe. Also I have had some truly superb hatch rates in the r-com (hoppy and onthespots eggs and some peafowl eggs). The very good hatch rates for eggs that start to develop I am sure makes up for the odd breech.
Still a total r-com fan.

 

[Kev]

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Oh yes to both big hobby(used to be into pigeons- not racers though) and (small)possibility of the lost one being worth lots. Sometimes a bought racer will escape and not rehome to right location, or bird is from a particular bloodline, so even if it "homed wrong"...... not so uncommon for bird from particular lines to sell 500-2K. I've heard of a bird worth upwards of 1K rehoming to a chicken coop and hanging out there for a week until the coop owners call the number on the leg band..

another possibility is the local lofts are for another breed bred for tumbling and rolling in the air- there are a LOT of fanciers of this kind and many build elaborate setups for them because they need a fair amount of training and keeping groups separate. They don't get same prices as racers but they 'get lost' fairly often. If the birds have a lot of white or seem uncommonly colored, those are a good bet or you also happen to see flocks flying around a yard in a tight group.

 

[Kev]

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Yea, rather than buy a new bator, I am really happy with it otherwise. I've never had breech babies before this bator.

Phage, you too? I didn't realize that there were more that have had this problem .

Yes it is has been a problem with chickens and peas for myself and a friend of mine who is using one. The bators are meant to be good for pea eggs, being on their sides, but it definitely produces more breech. He noticed a higher breech rate than with a sportsman. I really only saw it was such a problem when I was also using a hand tipped brinsea, and that produced less breaches.

I have to say though, the "turn on and walk away" ease of use is amazing. I left mine on when I went to Europe. Also I have had some truly superb hatch rates in the r-com (hoppy and onthespots eggs and some peafowl eggs). The very good hatch rates for eggs that start to develop I am sure makes up for the odd breech.
Still a total r-com fan.

Was that me?

It is strange, breeches in the r-com despite it being an fantastic bator and holding/turning the eggs 'more naturally'. Breech was very low in sportsman 1202.. but hatch rates were stinkingly low- only one peachick out of 30 eggs for example.. I could not believe how many peafowl eggs were developing in the r-com.

I agree, rcom is an excellent bator. Turn on and walk way is perfect description, really.

I do like the idea of adjusting or trying something else for the eggs in r-coms. Have anybody considered perhaps doing some kind of prop or customized trays that will hold them a little more upright but still allow the eggs be turned by the rcom turner?

 

[dak]

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I'd be nervous too if I couldn't see and some monster roo was stalking me.

Poor girls give'em a fighting chance.

Oh, and both the brahma babies are doing well. They have the whole bathtub all to themselves.

 

[Phage]

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Yes it is has been a problem with chickens and peas for myself and a friend of mine who is using one. The bators are meant to be good for pea eggs, being on their sides, but it definitely produces more breech. He noticed a higher breech rate than with a sportsman. I really only saw it was such a problem when I was also using a hand tipped brinsea, and that produced less breaches. I have to say though, the "turn on and walk away" ease of use is amazing. I left mine on when I went to Europe. Also I have had some truly superb hatch rates in the r-com (hoppy and onthespots eggs and some peafowl eggs). The very good hatch rates for eggs that start to develop I am sure makes up for the odd breech. Still a total r-com fan.

Was that me?

It is strange, breeches in the r-com despite it being an fantastic bator and holding/turning the eggs 'more naturally'. Breech was very low in sportsman 1202.. but hatch rates were stinkingly low- only one peachick out of 30 eggs for example.. I could not believe how many peafowl eggs were developing in the r-com. I agree, rcom is an excellent bator. Turn on and walk way is perfect description, really.
I do like the idea of adjusting or trying something else for the eggs in r-coms. Have anybody considered perhaps doing some kind of prop or customized trays that will hold them a little more upright but still allow the eggs be turned by the rcom turner?

Yup that was you kev

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Welcome to the sharks, you do after all have some pretty nice BLRWs from a shark!!
In defense of the r-com I do notice that as hatch day approaches, especially with eggs that have more of a pointy end, the round end sort of "rises up" due to the air in the air sac making the pointy end relatively heavier. That makes the eggs sit more upright, and the eggs that do this are the best at finally hatching. Wish I had a pic of it. Using a "chicken egg" tray for peas also encourages that. Have not used the quail tray on chicken eggs. The space for the quail eggs is pretty tiny so

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And lovins tried an egg carton, but there is then very little room between the egg and the clear lid of the bator for the critter to escape the egg after it is unzipped. Now just prop the eggs up around the side or on towel at lock down.

Finally, I know how difficult it is but shrink wrapping rarely occurs WHEN I strictly adhere to the lockdown rule, and do NOT open the bator till all the hatching is done. Very tough to do, but worth it

: (going to work helped a lot!!!): Wish I could take my own advise

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[Brindlebtch]

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[Brindlebtch]

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4 silkies 3 eggs.......um....nevermind.......


It would be really scary to walk around blind and then get jumped by some amorous giant! Much better to at least see it coming!

 

[dak]

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4 silkies 3 eggs.......um....nevermind.......

Is this more chicken math? and will there be a test?

 

[Phage]

OK Gals (and Guys) - need some SERIOUS advice - really. Applying for a research grant.

I really really need your help here as you guys know WAY more than me.

1. What would be considered the "Standard chicken" for the US?
Not a specialized layer, or broiler, just an average chicken that the poultry industry would consider a standard. Probably a dual purpose breed?

There are so many types that I am thinking of going back and just using Jungle fowl as it is the original source of chickens, although they are unlikely to resemble modern chickens much.

2. Next,
A. what would be considered the standard broiler breed? Nat maybe you know a lot about this? The leghorn seems to be the clear egger winner.

There seem to be several questions with raising broilers:
B. when is the most economical time to "send to market" feed v wt gain? ?8/10/12 weeks?
C. and is there that much debate on the subject?
D. do free range broilers grow significantly slower than shed grown ones?
E. what are the KNOWN advantages to eating free range birds, other than taste and possibly arsenic levels?
And
F. what are the non-infectious health issues that production broilers suffer from due to rapid growth. Thinking leg and joint issues, heart problems, feather pecking? Do they get liver or renal problems? Does anyone know?

Really appreciate ANY help or opinions here.