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Pen 1- Silas


Pen 2: Damien (spawn of Satan, but he makes beautiful babies)


Pen 3: Liam


Pen 4: Fabio (Don't ask
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Pen 5: Tate (Little Man)


Pen 6: Un named rooster


Pen 7: SS checking out the new coop

All great looking boys! Seriously. That Damien is something else! How big are they, compared to each other? Is Damien much bigger than Liam?
sorry for all the questions this morning, but you have all the breeds I want... lol
 
All great looking boys!  Seriously.  That Damien is something else!   How big are they, compared to each other?  Is Damien much bigger than Liam? 
sorry for all the questions this morning, but you have all the breeds I want... lol
Damien is absolutely gorgeous. Mean as a snake, but breeds beautifully, so he's staying. They are LF polish, so Damien is as tall as Silas, but longer and leaner. Liam is the smallest of the bunch. He's smaller than Fabio. Silas is the best rooster I have ever owned. So cool and laid back. When I give them garden treats, he will call the girls, take it from my hand, and drop it for them. His pen is beside Damien's, so when Damien charges me, Silas will run at him. I absolutely love him, and if I could only keep one breed, it would be the cuckoo marans
 
One thing I am doing differently than in the past has to do with how and where temperature is measured. This is my theory, and so far it has dramatically improved my results, though there is room for further improvement.

In my cabinet, air flow is excellent, and the temp on a tray applies to the whole tray, top and bottom of the eggs, so I measure at tray level and results are consistent with temp. This was not true in my forced air foam incubator, it still had varying thermal profiles and with a turner inside, the eggs closest to the element were dramatically hotter than those in the center or edges, so I had a U shaped pattern of more highly developed eggs, leading to staggered hatches and higher failure rates of both extremes. If I were reliably at home, I'd remove the turners if I was to use a foam incubator again to increase the distance between the eggs and the element, especially with turkey eggs.

In the redwood, which is a still air, conventional wisdom says to measure the temperature at the top of the eggs. The temperature differential between the top and bottom of the eggs is a couple of degrees. The eggs lie flat on their sides, and the upper surface of the incubator is essentially an electric radiator. There is a thermocline, it is a couple of degrees warmer at the top than at the bottom.

When an embryo is forming, it is on the upper surface of the yolk, at the top of the egg, which is why turning is so important to prevent it from sticking to the shell. Temps at the top of the egg, in a still air, should be 100 -101 to promote early growth. Temps at the bottom may be lower without causing harm.

By the midpoint of incubation, the embryo is encased within a protective membrane and not subject to sticking. It cannot regulate its own body temperature, and is no longer on the upper surface of the yolk. So the temperatures at the center of the egg should be conducive to embryo growth, which is 99.5-100.5. I don't believe that still air or forced air makes a difference, as long as the average internal temperature of the egg is within this range, or close to it.

While the thermostat is at the top of the incubator and is not set to the egg temp, but rather at whatever temperature is necessary to gain results (that's the beauty of the wafer over a digital, you can't see what it's set at, it's all results-driven), I place my probes not touching an egg, and set at midpoint of egg level, or center of mass of a growing embryo. At this level I want 99.5-100.5 for the main incubation period to ensure proper growth.

For lockdown, Kevin Porter and a number of other turkey specialists recommend lowering hatch temperature by 1F to reduce heat stress as a result of increased humidity. I have hatched both ways and find that lowering the temp slightly does help prevent shrink wrapping and stressed poults that cannot hatch. For chickens, which seem to have fewer struggles at hatching, the results have been about the same. Here is the reasoning:

100F, 40% humidity: heat index 109F
98F, 40% humidity: heat index 105F

100F, 65% humidity: heat index 136F
98F, 65% humidity: heat index 128F
96F, 65% humidity: heat index 121F

100F, 70% humidity: heat index off the chart
98F, 70% humidity: heat index 134F
96F, 70% humidity: heat index 126F

With a still air incubator, there is no evaporative cooling as there is in a forced air. The egg becomes a sauna, and the fact that the chick/poult is still able to hatch under heavy exertion under these conditions is amazing. If the air cell is too small or incubator humidity at the time of internal pip is too high, I believe that moisture absorption into the air cell creates respiratory distress, and when the external pip is made, conditions don't improve or even become worse.

I have another set of eggs in the incubator and I want to try something different next time. I will maintain incubator humidity around 40% at 98F (heat index 105F) and will use a damp microfiber cloth on top of the eggs to create a humid microclimate. If it doesn't work, I may lose my whole hatch...but if it does work, I may have a better hatching technique.
Thank you for this post and thank you @BYC910 for bringing it to my attention. I have noticed that right at lockdown my "real' temp spikes about 1.5 degrees and I have been catching it after a day or so. I think this heat spike due to humidity is killing my hatch rate. I'm also wondering if the dry Utah air is a little too dry to not have any humidity in the incubator during the early part of incubation. I'm going to add a little humidity to keep it around 40% and turn the heat down about a degree around day 15.

Thanks all you folks are great!
 
Thank you for this post and thank you @BYC910 for bringing it to my attention. I have noticed that right at lockdown my "real' temp spikes about 1.5 degrees and I have been catching it after a day or so. I think this heat spike due to humidity is killing my hatch rate. I'm also wondering if the dry Utah air is a little too dry to not have any humidity in the incubator during the early part of incubation. I'm going to add a little humidity to keep it around 40% and turn the heat down about a degree around day 15.

Thanks all you folks are great!


For those of us in very dry climates, you have to have some water in the bator. I aimed for 40% day 1-18, from my research. Altitude is also a factor for me.

Disclaimer: I am really new at this so I'm just sharing what I've read.
 
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All LF eggs are collected daily. Bantam eggs are collected once a week so that there are never eggs older than 7 days. All of my bantams are very broody, so I leave the eggs to tempt them to sit
I don't have any bantams and wondered what folks did with the eggs. I assumed folks just ate them but it seemed strange to me. I was really surprised to read a few posts about bantams taking over at shows and very few LF being present. I thought about picking up a few just because they are cute, but never thought about keeping them seriously. What is the draw with them? My first goal for keeping chickens is eggs, but people love them so there must be something to it.

For those of us in very dry climates, you have to have some water in the bator. I aimed for 40% day 1-18, from my research. Altitude is also a factor for me.

Disclaimer: I am really new at this so I'm just sharing what I've read.
I didn't even think about altitude. I'm at almost 5,000ft. What is the affect of altitude on hatching?
 
I don't have any bantams and wondered what folks did with the eggs. I assumed folks just ate them but it seemed strange to me. I was really surprised to read a few posts about bantams taking over at shows and very few LF being present. I thought about picking up a few just because they are cute, but never thought about keeping them seriously. What is the draw with them? My first goal for keeping chickens is eggs, but people love them so there must be something to it. 
they are generally more docile than large fowl. people like to keep them as pets. They are great for families with kids. Most of them are also broody, and I have many people buy them just to incubate other chickens eggs
Edit: their are eggs are just as good as the others, it just takes more of them :gig
 
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they are generally more docile than large fowl. people like to keep them as pets. They are great for families with kids. Most of them are also broody, and I have many people buy them just to incubate other chickens eggs
That makes sense. I told my local petshop that they should start selling chickens and supplies and the owner looked at me like I was nuts. People LOVE their chickens as pets! Do folks also use silkies for brooding?
 
That makes sense. I told my local petshop that they should start selling chickens and supplies and the owner looked at me like I was nuts. People LOVE their chickens as pets! Do folks also use silkies for brooding? 
A lot. Those are the ones that I selll just for people to brood with
 
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I don't have any bantams and wondered what folks did with the eggs. I assumed folks just ate them but it seemed strange to me. I was really surprised to read a few posts about bantams taking over at shows and very few LF being present. I thought about picking up a few just because they are cute, but never thought about keeping them seriously. What is the draw with them? My first goal for keeping chickens is eggs, but people love them so there must be something to it. 

I didn't even think about altitude. I'm at almost 5,000ft. What is the affect of altitude on hatching?

Eggs laid at higher altitude are more porous to allow for better gas exchange. So for us, eggs from sea level will retain more co2 and may not get enough oxygen. Can cause more failures during lockdown.

A few thousand feet difference may not have much effect, the bigger the altitude change, the more it could affect your hatch.
 

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