She said/He said Who's right? Who's wrong? No one!

[WVduckchick]

I'm not dualing my own eggs. Where's the challenge in that?

Sounds like a perfect situation to see who's best! Apples to apples, right? Even playing field. Can't blame the eggs or the incubator. I think you're chicken...

 

[bantam brood 17]

Fattest, heaviest chicks I've ever seen

Any more chicks under the broody ?

 

[scflock]

Sounds like a perfect situation to see who's best!  Apples to apples, right?  Even playing field.  Can't blame the eggs or the incubator.  I think you're chicken...  :cd

I'd dual you any time. You just say when

 

[scflock]

Any more chicks under the broody ?

Who knows? If you think I'm hands off with the incubator, you should see me with the broodies
I'll know when she walks out in the yard with them

 

[RubyNala97]

lol... cat food stealing chooks...

I have a grey Call duck who steals cat food any chance she gets... spoiled rotten but she's molting right now... besides causing fat chookz, it's just too expensive to keep replacing the cat food... :/

She's beautiful. I think I already told you that I'm planning on hatching calls in the spring too. I can't wait!!

I've seen a couple people, one specifically push this.  As willing as I am to assist and as red as I am, I'm against this. My philosphy runs a little closer to SC's in this situation. I believe that if a chick can not at least make an internal pip on it's own, it isn't meant to hatch. If it's not strong enough to take that step, I don't see how "helping" is going to change the outcome and I don't want to have to cull or watch a weak chick die. Even if you could "pip" for them and not hit a major vein, they are most likely going to die before the vascular system shuts down and you can help them further anyway.  The most I would ever do (and I haven't yet) is if I had an internal pip and heard chirping for 24 hours with no external pip is put a small hole in  the air cell to assure fresh air getting into the egg and give it more time to externally pip.  My basic philosophy is they have to externally pip and be pipped (unless there is extreme distress) for 18 hours + before I will intervine. (SP??? lol)

Thanks, I was wondering what your take was on it. It was highly recommended that I try it but something about it gives me the willies! Does that make any sense?? I'm much more comfortable assisting now with an external pip or I could even see myself making an external pip in the situation you described. But going into the egg and breaking that internal membrane and not killing the chick right there is too much of a chance for me to take, comfortably.

This is pretty much how Amy and I met. People posting threads about whether to assist or not. We had completely different philosophies, and would give our reasons, but never argued. We didn't start arguing until we found out I was a jerk and she was a wee bit sensitive
Yes, ding dong, 20/22=90%
After day 23 I would never check an egg for life. This is just me, now, but that's how I do it. No water candling, no regular candling, nada. I wouldn't even entertain the thought of opening the egg to check for life. You will see this tomorrow. Total shutdown after work, regardless of how many eggs are left. The thing I am dreading is the eggtopsies. If they happen to be alive, it's an automatic cull, but I don't want anything that hatches after day 23. If it's not healthy enough to hatch on it's own, chances are it's not healthy enough to live without some special needs. Amy loves her special needs roo, and that's fine for her. I don't say that it's my place to tell her she shouldn't have done it. In my case, I have too many chickens that I am raising and trying to sell to have time to deal with special needs. She does it her way, I do it mine, and we both have legitimate reasons.

When will you do eggtopsies? Will you shut the incubator off for a few hours first? And if you found a live chick, how would you cull? Sorry so many questions...I'm still learning!

Tell Ya what. I'll bring mine up there and we can dual in person

She might go mad if she had to live with you for 21 days!

 

[WVduckchick]

She's beautiful. I think I already told you that I'm planning on hatching calls in the spring too. I can't wait!!

Thanks, I was wondering what your take was on it. It was highly recommended that I try it but something about it gives me the willies! Does that make any sense?? I'm much more comfortable assisting now with an external pip or I could even see myself making an external pip in the situation you described. But going into the egg and breaking that internal membrane and not killing the chick right there is too much of a chance for me to take, comfortably.


She might go mad if she had to live with you for 21 days!

Well maybe we will get to do calls together, since I can't catch you on this next one! You got your new eggs already, right?


And I'm with you on that degree of assisting too. I think opening the egg to that level would be pushing it. Safety hole to help, I can handle.

I'd probably kill him in 10 days... he'd never make it 21!

 

[scflock]

When will you do eggtopsies? Will you shut the incubator off for a few hours first? And if you found a live chick, how would you cull? Sorry so many questions...I'm still learning!

She might go mad if she had to live with you for 21 days!

I will probably eggtopsy tomorrow night. If there are live chicks, they will be culled right then. It's cold, but it's easier than culling a fluffy one. I'm hoping they are late deaths. My wife said there's still only the one in the incubator, so I'm not holding out much hope. Seriously, by day 23 they start hatching with issues. I'm going for strong, healthy chicks to add to a breeding program, so at least I have 13 feisty fat ones. If I were hatching for myself, it would be different. Now that I have gotten into breeding, I'm learning that there is a whole new level of cold heartedness that you have to stick to. I haven't gotten to the point of culling for faults yet, but I only want healthy chicks. If you really want to know how I cull, I can PM you, unless everyone wants to know. It's not fun...
I think I tried to say this on the first page of this thread. Amy and I aren't vastly different the first 21 days. It's from day 22 on that the real differences between blue and red show up.

I'd probably kill him in 10 days... he'd never make it 21!

I'd dual you to the bitter end, or until you begged for mercy

 

[RubyNala97]

   Well maybe we will get to do calls together, since I can't catch you on this next one!  You got your new eggs already, right?


  And I'm with you on that degree of assisting too.  I think opening the egg to that level would be pushing it.  Safety hole to help, I can handle.

  I'd probably kill him in 10 days... he'd never make it 21! 

New eggs are getting shipped today or tomorrow the latest, depending on how her girls laid over the weekend. But I haven't heard from her yet with the tracking number. I should have them wednesday or thursday. I'm excited to set again! Yes, please!! Lets plan to set the calls together in the spring! That would be good at hatch time since they're so difficult, we'll both be up all night, so we can help each other!

 

[rossfam06]

Sounds like a perfect situation to see who's best!  Apples to apples, right?  Even playing field.  Can't blame the eggs or the incubator.  I think you're chicken...  :cd

I agree...same incubators eggs the only difference is the person running the incubator.

 

[scflock]

I agree...same incubators eggs the only difference is the person running the incubator.

Nobody's dualing you