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[Illia]

Then perhaps you can help me with a little project

I'm doing different paintings of various lines of Gamefowl and one that peaks my interest and I'm almost complete with is of a Leiper cock. I search different forums and the sort for photo references but it would be great to actually know someone who knows the breed and who could supply me with a few nice photos as well as some background on the breed. There's websites that give great info on the background of some such as Kelsos and Roundheads, but half of what they say is not in English, so, you know. . .

It would be a pleasure of mine to see some more photos of your Leipers if possible, and talk a little on their background.

 

[Greybear23]

Then perhaps you can help me with a little project

I'm doing different paintings of various lines of Gamefowl and one that peaks my interest and I'm almost complete with is of a Leiper cock. I search different forums and the sort for photo references but it would be great to actually know someone who knows the breed and who could supply me with a few nice photos as well as some background on the breed. There's websites that give great info on the background of some such as Kelsos and Roundheads, but half of what they say is not in English, so, you know. . .

It would be a pleasure of mine to see some more photos of your Leipers if possible, and talk a little on their background.

 

[Illia]

Surely! Toppys and Muffs both are ones I don't often find references for nor breeders/owners. For photos, I prefer ones taken at level with the bird (either the bird is on the ground or on the perch, both are okay as long as the view is not from above)

No website up yet but I'll get some works uploaded later tonight to show.

 

[gamelife]

Then perhaps you can help me with a little project

I'm doing different paintings of various lines of Gamefowl and one that peaks my interest and I'm almost complete with is of a Leiper cock. I search different forums and the sort for photo references but it would be great to actually know someone who knows the breed and who could supply me with a few nice photos as well as some background on the breed. There's websites that give great info on the background of some such as Kelsos and Roundheads, but half of what they say is not in English, so, you know. . .

It would be a pleasure of mine to see some more photos of your Leipers if possible, and talk a little on their background.

Illia,
I have put up a few pics on this website that might be of interest to you.
I used my phone camera to take some of these so they might not be the best quality, but you're
doing paintings right? I'll take some more pics soon. I'll help you all I can.
Leipers were originated by Judge Leiper. And said to be that of a Kearney brown red and Kearney whitehackle infusion, and some will say they have a touch of oriental blood or black roundhead in them as well. I can see were people would believe there's roundhead in there but
I can't say for sure. I have two families of leipers that are of dark wine red color but Leipers can
can also be lemon hackled or light hackled(referring to males). You can see that brown red in them in the lemon hackled ones. Leipers are also known as leiper hatches.

 

[gamelife]

When do we get to see some of your work Illia?

 

[Illia]

Apparently tomorrow, likely in the morning, as it is now late and nothing uploaded yet. The Leiper I'm working on is of the dark wine-colored type, which at least to me is the more ideal image of one. I've seen the lemons though, yes.

Curious, should the legs be yellow or black? I've seen both but maybe I'm looking at crosses when they're yellow. I don't often find pure Leipers. And although I'm familiar with the term Leiper Hatch, is it the same? Or am I looking at a Hatch cross? And why the name Hatch if it is pure but little related?

Apologies for all the questions but one's gotta learn sometime/somewhere.

 

[gamelife]

Apparently tomorrow, likely in the morning, as it is now late and nothing uploaded yet. The Leiper I'm working on is of the dark wine-colored type, which at least to me is the more ideal image of one. I've seen the lemons though, yes.

Curious, should the legs be yellow or black? I've seen both but maybe I'm looking at crosses when they're yellow. I don't often find pure Leipers. And although I'm familiar with the term Leiper Hatch, is it the same? Or am I looking at a Hatch cross? And why the name Hatch if it is pure but little related?

Apologies for all the questions but one's gotta learn sometime/somewhere.

Green legs, some will even have blue. Leiper hatches are leipers as leipers are leiper hatches.
Some will argue whether they are hatches or not. The way I understand it is the originator of these fowl bred some of the original hatch blood which was crosses of brown red and whitehackle.

 

[Greybear23]

Surely! Toppys and Muffs both are ones I don't often find references for nor breeders/owners. For photos, I prefer ones taken at level with the bird (either the bird is on the ground or on the perch, both are okay as long as the view is not from above)

No website up yet but I'll get some works uploaded later tonight to show.

 

[Illia]

Okay, so after uploading I tried with all my might to get this photo to actually look just like the painting in real life, colors wise, but I just can't get it right, so as a notice - The colors here are not actually what it looks like in real life, but, this is the Leiper I've been working on. (and am still touching up, finishing here and there) Comments appreciated.



My personal observations in Leipers are first of course the mahogany gene present, which gives that deep wine red color. Next are rather large wings, secondaries especially, held quite loosely to the body and low in carriage. They also always seem to have a rather long rear-end, narrow in shape, but in this bird I don't know if I portrayed it well enough (?). I also notice that their faces tend to be more forward facing or if not that, simply more fierce in expression that many other Games. Oh and generally long thighs and shanks, but not so much to compare to some Spanish Games out there. And I do notice the length tends to only really show in stags, not cocks.


Either most Leipers I see are always young, or they tend to not have so full bodied and hackle appearance as Hatch and Sweaters, so I gave this one the more lean type body and hackle, but the age and experience to lose the sickle feathers. The spurs I chose to be small and slightly curled up as I've little to no knowledge/experience there, except that in most games, or so I recall, they are preferred small and tightly curled.

 

[CUDA]

First off, I like the painting, excellent work. As for the description of the fowl, I feel you are a bit off on a few things generally speaking. The bird you painted, is definitely a stag's body type. What you have to remember though, is every line varies some in type, even if it is the same strain, so I wouldn't pigeonhole yourself too much with specifics. What I can tell you that a "quality" American game will have certain traits that tend to translate amongst strains. Some of the more important things are the station of the bird, the shank length, length and width of the back, and the keel size. American birds don't typically have a prominent brow, unless they have a fair amount of Oriental blood in them as a rule. A bird in proper shape will always hold it's wings tight to the body, and when alert they will point almost straight down, covering the shanks. When the length of the back is correct, the wings will appear proportionate as well, and the tail will hang at the proper angle. Most hatch tend to be fairly wide and deep keeled birds, and do have an Oriental influence, which does show up in the head by the pea comb, and larger than normal brow which you commented on. They also tend to get full hackles when mature too, which makes them look a bit bigger on top compared to some other strains. The tail of a mature bird would have the sickles much larger, covering the feathers underneath almost completely. Good spurs will not be small, they will be thick and straight with a slight curl to them, and the closer to the foot the better. Something else that is very important as well is a good cock will stand with it's weight on it's toes, instead of flat footed, with it's prop toes never touching the ground. I think your painting is pretty accurate for a stag for sure, and I'm not trying to pick it apart by any means, I am just trying to explain the body structure better based on the observations you have made in your post is all. BTW Leipers are considered Hatch fowl. This is all just my personal opinion as well. You ever paint any monkey birds? I am also curious, is this oil base, or water based paint? I would love to see more of your paintings too, you definitely have a lot talent!