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[childressj]

Black rounheads ?

What is a Black Roundhead? Of course if a Roundhead can be any pea combed rooster, then why not call any pea combed black chicken a Black Roundhead? We can make up names all we like but let's not kid ourselves that the names mean anything like what the names meant originally. This is exactly how black breasted reds with straight combs are beginning to be called "Hatch" when "Hatch" actually referred to a handful of fowl obtained from Mr. Hatch.
A Roundhead was a family of red fowl with pea combs that the breeder named Roundheads. The name was applied by a person to HIS red pea combed fowl. You may call all pea combed chickens Roundheads red, white, black, spangle but that is not what was meant by Roundhead originally (neglecting the English civil war in 1641 of course). A red GAME chicken is likely to have either a straight or pea comb. You can say you have a straight combed red cock but that does not make him a "Hatch" or you may have a pea combed red cock but that does not make him a "Roundhead". Of course if everyone agrees that henceforth all pea combed chickens shall be called Roundheads and all straight combed game chickens shall be called "Hatch" that will work but it has nothing to do with the original terms. Mr. Hatch had some red chickens with straight combs and there are thousands of other families of red game chickens with straight combs. In fact the first domesticated chickens were red chickens with straight combs and could correctly be called Red Jungle Fowl 7,000 years ago. We don't call them Red Jungle Fowl after 7,000 years of domestication and only a handful of red straight combed fowl actually came from Mr. HATCH. All games are the same breed, they just come with many feather colors, a half dozen shank colors and a couple of comb variations.
Whether you breed a family of game fowl to breed true or have spectacular success with individuals bred from unrelated parents, give them your name if you want. In that case, there will be some basis in fact for the name rather than pure fiction.

 

[troyer]

Very colorful bunch. Eye catching!

 

[prariechiken]

What is a Black Roundhead? Of course if a Roundhead can be any pea combed rooster, then why not call any pea combed black chicken a Black Roundhead? We can make up names all we like but let's not kid ourselves that the names mean anything like what the names meant originally. This is exactly how black breasted reds with straight combs are beginning to be called "Hatch" when "Hatch" actually referred to a handful of fowl obtained from Mr. Hatch.
A Roundhead was a family of red fowl with pea combs that the breeder named Roundheads. The name was applied by a person to HIS red pea combed fowl. You may call all pea combed chickens Roundheads red, white, black, spangle but that is not what was meant by Roundhead originally (neglecting the English civil war in 1641 of course). A red GAME chicken is likely to have either a straight or pea comb. You can say you have a straight combed red cock but that does not make him a "Hatch" or you may have a pea combed red cock but that does not make him a "Roundhead". Of course if everyone agrees that henceforth all pea combed chickens shall be called Roundheads and all straight combed game chickens shall be called "Hatch" that will work but it has nothing to do with the original terms. Mr. Hatch had some red chickens with straight combs and there are thousands of other families of red game chickens with straight combs. In fact the first domesticated chickens were red chickens with straight combs and could correctly be called Red Jungle Fowl 7,000 years ago. We don't call them Red Jungle Fowl after 7,000 years of domestication and only a handful of red straight combed fowl actually came from Mr. HATCH. All games are the same breed, they just come with many feather colors, a half dozen shank colors and a couple of comb variations.
Whether you breed a family of game fowl to breed true or have spectacular success with individuals bred from unrelated parents, give them your name if you want. In that case, there will be some basis in fact for the name rather than pure fiction.

Don't forget the grey, ceylon and green jungle fowl, recent study shows they played just as much into the "origin of the chicken" as did the red. The grey was instrumental in the origin of yellow skin genetics in chickens. Looks like even better support for multiple points of developement.

Some light reading...

Many bird species possess yellow skin and legs whereas other species have white or black skin color. Yellow or white skin is due to the presence or absence of carotenoids. The genetic basis underlying this diversity is unknown. Domestic chickens with yellow skin are homozygous for a recessive allele, and white skinned chickens carry the dominant allele. As a result, chickens represent an ideal model for analyzing genetic mechanism responsible for skin color variation. In this study we demonstrate that yellow skin is caused by regulatory mutation(s) that inhibit expression of the beta-carotene dioxygenase 2 (BCDO2) enzyme in skin, but not in other tissues. Because BCDO2 cleaves colorful carotenoids into colorless apocarotenoids, a reduction in expression of this gene produces yellow skin. This study also provides the first conclusive evidence of a hybrid origin of the domestic chicken. It has been generally assumed that the red junglefowl is the sole ancestor of the domestic chicken. A phylogenetic analysis, however, demonstrates that though the white skin allele originates from the red junglefowl, the yellow skin allele originates from a different species, most likely the grey junglefowl. This result significantly advances our understanding of chicken domestication.

 

[sdm111]

I am voicing concern that your choice of terms is intentionally offensive.

Just stating that they are in fact the same bird. Other than this and one other forum I never heard the term black roundhead. They have always been referred by the other whether at the pit or amongst fanciers. Search the name and see what pops up. I'll refer to them as NRH on the forums but not black Roundheads because that is not what they are to me just to be politically correct. NRH is what the developer named them and it would be a disservice to him and the fowl and their history and origins.

 

[sdm111]

Although I could have worded it a lil different though I'll agree but they're still..............

 

[sdm111]

What is a Black Roundhead?  Of course if a Roundhead can be any pea combed rooster, then why not call any pea combed black chicken a Black Roundhead?  We can make up names all we like but let's not kid ourselves that the names mean anything like what the names meant originally.  This is exactly how black breasted reds with straight combs are beginning to be called "Hatch" when "Hatch" actually referred to a handful of fowl obtained from Mr. Hatch. 
A Roundhead was a family of red fowl with pea combs that the breeder named Roundheads.  The name was applied by a person to HIS red pea combed fowl.  You may call all pea combed  chickens Roundheads red, white, black, spangle but that is not what was meant by Roundhead originally (neglecting the English civil war in 1641 of course).   A red GAME chicken is likely to have either a straight or pea comb.  You can say you have a straight combed red cock but that does not make him a "Hatch" or you may have a pea combed red cock but that does not make him a "Roundhead".  Of course if everyone agrees that henceforth all pea combed chickens shall be called Roundheads and all straight combed game chickens shall be called "Hatch" that will work but it has nothing to do with the original terms. Mr. Hatch had some red chickens with straight combs and there are thousands of other families of red game chickens with straight combs.  In fact the first domesticated chickens were red chickens with straight combs and could correctly be called Red Jungle Fowl 7,000 years ago.  We don't call them Red Jungle Fowl after 7,000 years of domestication and only a handful of red straight combed fowl actually came from Mr. HATCH.  All games are the same breed, they just come with many feather colors, a half dozen shank colors and a couple of comb variations. 
Whether you breed a family of game fowl to breed true or have spectacular success with individuals bred from unrelated parents, give them your name if you want.  In that case, there will be some basis in fact for the name rather than pure fiction. 

There is a whole lot more to the hatch fowl than this they're not all the same unless u want to start at the jungle fowl. http://www.ultimatefowl.com/wiki/index.php?title=Hatch how can u just disregard all the work the old cockers put into their line of hatch fowl by blanketing all these fine fowl under one tent as just hatch?

 

[centrarchid]

Just stating that they are in fact the same bird. Other than this and one other forum I never heard the term black roundhead. They have always been referred by the other whether at the pit or amongst fanciers. Search the name and see what pops up. I'll refer to them as NRH on the forums but not black Roundheads because that is not what they are to me just to be politically correct. NRH is what the developer named them and it would be a disservice to him and the fowl and their history and origins.

I am familiar with use of the name and at one time used it myself. It has always been in a derogatory context so needs to change.

 

[sdm111]

I am familiar with use of the name and at one time used it myself. It has always been in a derogatory context so needs to change.

But just like u stand firm on the thought to change it, I stand firm to keep it the same guess we agree to disagree. How's this to even it out. If I hatch some white kelsos in the spring I'll name my own line and they'll be called " cracker kelsos " and I won't feel offended in the least.

 

[Yahya Morse]

my Spangled stag

 

[Yahya Morse]