Show Off Your Games!

[sdm111]

I have blue leg lemon hackle straight combs

 

[JShubin]

I figured I was having trouble finding lemon hackle, blue legged, straight combed games because I no longer have a large circle of friends who are cockers. I have also observed that blue legs are evidently the least popular among cockers BUT I had no idea the combination is so rare that NO ONE on this thread knows anyone who has any such birds. When you consider how hard people work to promote mutations in chickens, one might wonder how hard it would be to find living individuals who show NO mutations. I propose that game chickens are the closest living relative to the wild ancestor and games with the "wild type" appearance characteristics would be the closest thing to the original domesticated chicken. (Games are the only chicken breed that has been bred primarily to promote fitness and not mutations.) I discovered I could not find these individuals in my area. Do you know anyone who has bright yellow (gold to geneticists) hackle, straight comb, blue leg duckwings that come from the dark bodied (wild type) hens-NOT from the light brown wheaten hens?

Can game chickens without obvious appearance mutations be this rare? We all know where we can find one or more of these characteristics, so the genes are there but who has individuals with all of these obvious "wild type" characteristics? If we do not act soon the American Game gene pool is going to be cluttered with coarse looking Asian features that do not resemble the wild ancestor. Anyone interested in helping me find these individuals? I would also welcome anyone else who is interested working on keeping a few families that breed true. There are quite enough people breeding to promote mutations! Help find and save the original domesticated chicken!



Although I will never consider mixing the wild ancestor and game fowl, here is a photo of a RJF cock and a hen of (possibly mixed) domesticated linage to show the "wild type" characteristics.

I am a big fan of reversion back to the wild type.. I produce mix breed gamefowl and they tend to revert back to the original colors. I have never used yellow legs in my stock because it seems too domestic. I like green, slate and blue legs. Mixing grey and Red genes will produce lemon hackle. I breed both straight and pea combs.

Here is one of my wild type of roosters. We just had this discussion on what makes him differnt than the Red Jungle Fowl. For one he is too big and aggressive. His tail is also too erect and his vocalizations are different than the wild Jungle fowl.

 

[JShubin]

Was given some new birds to breed with for next season from my very good friend and mentor i believe that finally i have got to the level where i am trusted to look after Gamefowl of the highest level...

Lucky!

That is a tough bunch of birds you got there. Muffs are pretty rare. Do you have room to care for all these birds? I hope he gave you cages or cords to put them on haha.

Whats your plan for them? are you going ot breed the pairs he gave you or are you going to mix them with the fowl you already have?

 

[neugene]

Lucky!

That is a tough bunch of birds you got there. Muffs are pretty rare. Do you have room to care for all these birds? I hope he gave you cages or cords to put them on haha.

Whats your plan for them? are you going ot breed the pairs he gave you or are you going to mix them with the fowl you already have?

We are going to be crossing with some of my fowl and adding new blood i dont make decisions i have ideas of wat i want to achieve and my friend will help me get there..im learning everyday..yes plenty of cages and fly pens available and building more..

 

[centrarchid]

Anybody with games carrying and showing recessive Wheaton. I am in intense discussion elsewhere with folks that show something that looks nothing like mine yet they say both have recessive Wheaton. They may be right but I want more realistic comparisons because I think their birds are loaded up with a bunch of other mutations making for very different looks.

 

[JShubin]

Anybody with games carrying and showing recessive Wheaton. I am in intense discussion elsewhere with folks that show something that looks nothing like mine yet they say both have recessive Wheaton. They may be right but I want more realistic comparisons because I think their birds are loaded up with a bunch of other mutations making for very different looks.

I am still confused on what wheaten actually is.. From what I have seen the roosters look like normal black breasted red, but the hens have a light tan color body and dark brown hackle feathers as opposed to dark brown all around.

Here is what I think a recessive wheaton color might look like in a hen. Notice how she is mostly dark but showing some light tan color on the breast.

I may be wrong!

 

[JShubin]

 

[centrarchid]

I am still confused on what wheaten actually is.. From what I have seen the roosters look like normal black breasted red, but the hens have a light tan color body and dark brown hackle feathers as opposed to dark brown all around. Here is what I think a recessive wheaton color might look like in a hen. Notice how she is mostly dark but showing some light tan color on the breast. I may be wrong!

What I look for in cocks/stags is a deeper more consistent red in hackles and saddle. The color is almost burgundy. Wild-type black-breasted red has yellow to brassy cast around lower part of neck. Both Wheaton and wild-type can be impacted by other alleles / loci. Also look at color pattern on individual hackles. Your recessive Wheaton hen/pulley is darker and more uniformly colored than I expect dominant Wheaton hens to look. Have you bred her to a wild male to see pullet offspring?

 

[sdm111]

I thought lemon hackle meant the lighter yellow or goldish on the hackle like shubins. My hatch one has that type and the other has the dark burgandy shiny type and I much rather the latter no offense shubin

 

[Urucubaca]

Possibly picking up some of these soon. Hard to decide between them and Lemon Cuckoo Pekins.

As both are relatively unusual and uncommon, they'll go well with my collection.