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Nice birds ! I like the look of that Mcrae Black and the greys !!!! very nice
Nice birds ! I like the look of that Mcrae Black and the greys !!!! very nice
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Lynn,
I have been searching literature and found nothing beyond influence of sex-linked barring gene of male coloration. I am hoping some more reliable sex-linked gene is hiding in games since they seem so much more gentically variable. The birds (American dominiques) I concerned with now cannot be be sexed reliably based on coloration at hatch. Some strains can be sexed, some can not.
Jim
I have been searching literature and found nothing beyond influence of sex-linked barring gene of male coloration. I am hoping some more reliable sex-linked gene is hiding in games since they seem so much more gentically variable. The birds (American dominiques) I concerned with now cannot be be sexed reliably based on coloration at hatch. Some strains can be sexed, some can not.
Jim
Ok here is a question and please excuse my lack of knowledge on the subject. I am confused as to the differences between Dom and Crele? The game birds I knew as a boy where never mated with color in mind?
Hey try this site, you may have to join to get anywhere but there is all kinds of talk about gamefowl here and this one I am sending is a thread about Doms, Lynn
http://sabong.net.ph/forum/showthread.php?t=46604
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Just my opinion here, but Crele is a color pattern in the Old English Gamefowl (and are all white legged)and Doms are gamefowl that have the barred pattern bred in them and according to what I have read in histories of gamefowl I believe the first Doms came from crossing in Domonique chickens into gamefowls, correct me if I am wrong here someone, I am not easily offended and very willing to learn more about gamefowl. Lynn
pride&joy :
Ok here is a question and please excuse my lack of knowledge on the subject. I am confused as to the differences between Dom and Crele? The game birds I knew as a boy where never mated with color in mind?
Ok here is a question and please excuse my lack of knowledge on the subject. I am confused as to the differences between Dom and Crele? The game birds I knew as a boy where never mated with color in mind?
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Thank you, for your response Lynn. So then crele is only applicable to OEGs , I have some Shamo and in speaking with another fowl keeper they mentioned that mine where Dom and they had some crele. Not being familiar with the suttle difrences I was not sure? In truth to me the beautiful part of game fowl is the game part but I always welcome a chance to learn here are some pics of three of my own birds you tell me what you think and hopefully soon I will have some pics of my knew so called crele shamo blood? Again thank you for shearing one and all.
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Thank you, for your response Lynn. So then crele is only applicable to OEGs , I have some Shamo and in speaking with another fowl keeper they mentioned that mine where Dom and they had some crele. Not being familiar with the suttle difrences I was not sure? In truth to me the beautiful part of game fowl is the game part but I always welcome a chance to learn here are some pics of three of my own birds you tell me what you think and hopefully soon I will have some pics of my knew so called crele shamo blood? Again thank you for shearing one and all.
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Thank you, for your response Lynn. So then crele is only applicable to OEGs , I have some Shamo and in speaking with another fowl keeper they mentioned that mine where Dom and they had some crele. Not being familiar with the suttle difrences I was not sure? In truth to me the beautiful part of game fowl is the game part but I always welcome a chance to learn here are some pics of three of my own birds you tell me what you think and hopefully soon I will have some pics of my knew so called crele shamo blood? Again thank you for shearing one and all.
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Thank you, for your response Lynn. So then crele is only applicable to OEGs , I have some Shamo and in speaking with another fowl keeper they mentioned that mine where Dom and they had some crele. Not being familiar with the suttle difrences I was not sure? In truth to me the beautiful part of game fowl is the game part but I always welcome a chance to learn here are some pics of three of my own birds you tell me what you think and hopefully soon I will have some pics of my knew so called crele shamo blood? Again thank you for shearing one and all.
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With gamefowl any bird with a barred pattern be it crele, barring, or cuckoo, or various crosses of the colors (probably only exceptions would be crossed over a grey, which is rarely seen. And even then I imagine people would call it dom..) is usually called a Dom. Dom is just short for "Dominecker", which is used often for any barred bird- especially in the South.
Until I got into OEGB's, I didn't even know what a Crele was. They were always just dom's to me, just like a blue wheaten/blue red/splash/dark blue/self blue etc.. Were just "Blue's". I knew bloodlines pretty much, didn't really know anything about color names.
-Daniel
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Thank you, for your response Lynn. So then crele is only applicable to OEGs , I have some Shamo and in speaking with another fowl keeper they mentioned that mine where Dom and they had some crele. Not being familiar with the suttle difrences I was not sure? In truth to me the beautiful part of game fowl is the game part but I always welcome a chance to learn here are some pics of three of my own birds you tell me what you think and hopefully soon I will have some pics of my knew so called crele shamo blood? Again thank you for shearing one and all.
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With gamefowl any bird with a barred pattern be it crele, barring, or cuckoo, or various crosses of the colors (probably only exceptions would be crossed over a grey, which is rarely seen. And even then I imagine people would call it dom..) is usually called a Dom. Dom is just short for "Dominecker", which is used often for any barred bird- especially in the South.
Until I got into OEGB's, I didn't even know what a Crele was. They were always just dom's to me, just like a blue wheaten/blue red/splash/dark blue/self blue etc.. Were just "Blue's". I knew bloodlines pretty much, didn't really know anything about color names.
-Daniel
Here's my "Dom", only six months old and yet to be dubbed. He's a great looking bird but not sure about his temperment, he has a skittish tendency which I don't like at all.
Thank you, for your response Lynn. So then crele is only applicable to OEGs , I have some Shamo and in speaking with another fowl keeper they mentioned that mine where Dom and they had some crele. Not being familiar with the suttle difrences I was not sure? In truth to me the beautiful part of game fowl is the game part but I always welcome a chance to learn here are some pics of three of my own birds you tell me what you think and hopefully soon I will have some pics of my knew so called crele shamo blood? Again thank you for shearing one and all.
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With gamefowl any bird with a barred pattern be it crele, barring, or cuckoo, or various crosses of the colors (probably only exceptions would be crossed over a grey, which is rarely seen. And even then I imagine people would call it dom..) is usually called a Dom. Dom is just short for "Dominecker", which is used often for any barred bird- especially in the South.
Until I got into OEGB's, I didn't even know what a Crele was. They were always just dom's to me, just like a blue wheaten/blue red/splash/dark blue/self blue etc.. Were just "Blue's". I knew bloodlines pretty much, didn't really know anything about color names.
-Daniel
Here's my "Dom", only six months old and yet to be dubbed. He's a great looking bird but not sure about his temperment, he has a skittish tendency which I don't like at all.
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pride&joy :
Ok here is a question and please excuse my lack of knowledge on the subject. I am confused as to the differences between Dom and Crele? The game birds I knew as a boy where never mated with color in mind?
Genetically speaking -
Dom is simply just barred. It derives from the Dominique, which is a solid barred bird. (extended black and barred genes)
Crele is barred duckwing. It is a duckwing colored bird (the black and gold males, the colorful brown females) with barring.
And then, there's also other "dom" varieties, like in Greybear23's avatar, which are "Dom" (barred) Crowwing. The difference between these and Creles is that Crele is based on Duckwing, and the males have an orange coloring in their wing feathers. The crowwings do not - It is simply a black barring.
If they were not barred, you'd see a clear difference in the females. A crowwing would be black with a colored head, a Duckwing would be brown or silver penciled with a salmon/red breast and black and white/gold head and neck.
And even further, there's barred Wheaten, like my Shamos, in which the males look almost identical to a Crele, but the females are a "dom" Wheaten.
Ok here is a question and please excuse my lack of knowledge on the subject. I am confused as to the differences between Dom and Crele? The game birds I knew as a boy where never mated with color in mind?
Genetically speaking -
Dom is simply just barred. It derives from the Dominique, which is a solid barred bird. (extended black and barred genes)
Crele is barred duckwing. It is a duckwing colored bird (the black and gold males, the colorful brown females) with barring.
And then, there's also other "dom" varieties, like in Greybear23's avatar, which are "Dom" (barred) Crowwing. The difference between these and Creles is that Crele is based on Duckwing, and the males have an orange coloring in their wing feathers. The crowwings do not - It is simply a black barring.
If they were not barred, you'd see a clear difference in the females. A crowwing would be black with a colored head, a Duckwing would be brown or silver penciled with a salmon/red breast and black and white/gold head and neck.
And even further, there's barred Wheaten, like my Shamos, in which the males look almost identical to a Crele, but the females are a "dom" Wheaten.
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