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[birdman55]

wow those do look very similar to the buddies....im just wondering do you think they could be pied....I would love it if they were pied...that's for sure...I have a lot of white birds and breeding white into the pieds would be awesome...then I would have a pair for ib, and a trio of white peafowl...and I would like to mix my pied male with white female, and my ib white eyed hen

 

[casportpony]

Your best bet with any wormer is to periodically use fecal samples to check their effectiveness. I'm in Michigan and invermectin still works in my area. One way to help with the increased resistance to certain wormers is to use a different "type" of wormer for the 2nd (after 10 days) application.

This is what the person with the very sick spalding hen did, she used Safeguard, then ivermectin and almost lost her hen to capillary worms and coccidia.

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

I just got off the phone with the guy and he says that he uses copper sulfate every spring...(its like a blue crystal)...also he said he did see the parents of the two buddys and they I guess are not bs...and the adults I guess had very little greenish/blue in the necks and the bodies color was just like that of in the picture....so now I am really confused...

*Acidified* copper sulfate.


-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Quote: Thought I should mention that they got the idea to do this from some "members" only article on the UPA website.

The benzimidazoles and pro-benzimidazoles most relevant for veterinary use on cattle, sheep, goats, pig, poultry dogs and cats are the following:

• Albendazole, massively used on livestock, less on pets
• Febantel, (pro-benzimidazole), vastly used on pets, less on livestock
• Fenbendazole, massively used on livestock and pets
• Flubendazole, moderately used on livestock (mainly pig and poultry) and pets
• Mebendazole, moderately used on livestock and pets
• Netobimin, (pro-benzimidazole), scarcely used on livestock
• Oxfendazole, scarcely used on livestock (mainly ruminants) and pets
• Oxibendazole, scarcely used on livestock (mainly pig) and pets
• Ricobendazole, moderately used on livestock (mainly ruminants)
• Thiabendazole, very seldom, mostly replaced
• Thiophanate (pro-benzimidazole) very seldom, mostly replaced
• Triclabendazole, vastly used on livestock (only ruminants)

The most relevant imidazothiazoles for veterinary use are:

• Levamisole: massively use on livestock; moderately used on pets.
• Tetramisole: scarcely used on livestock and pets.
• Butamisole: mostly abandoned. Was used in dogs.

Avermectins

• Abamectin: used moderately on livestock and scarcely on pets.
• Doramectin: used moderately only on livestock
• Eprinomectin: used moderately only on livestock.
• Ivermectin: use massively on livestock and pets.
• Selamectin: used moderately only on pets.

Milbemycins:

• Milbemycin oxime: used moderately only on pets.
• Moxidectin: used moderately on livestock, scarcely on pets.

 

[DylansMom]

wow those do look very similar to the buddies....im just wondering do you think they could be pied....I would love it if they were pied...that's for sure...I have a lot of white birds and breeding white into the pieds would be awesome...then I would have a pair for ib, and a trio of white peafowl...and I would like to mix my pied male with white female, and my ib white eyed hen

The best way to spot some split to white, pied or WE genes is to take a good thorough look at their feathers. For reference I'll use pics of my Bronze BS male chick. he is split to something so you can see the white feathers, as I said none of my India Blue BS were pied or split to pied, white or WE. The Bronze BS is marked just like an IBBS, except instead of blue/green or black you see dark gray coloring.

This is him in front of the green spalding.



Here he is being held in a manner that allows us to see the white feathers that indicate he is split to pied, white or WE. He is younger in this pic, but you can see the white on that wing.

 

[Trefoil]

This is what the person with the very sick spalding hen did, she used Safeguard, then ivermectin and almost lost her hen to capillary worms and coccidia.

-Kathy

At what dosage? I don't think either would treat coccidia.

 

[birdman55]

thanks for the info

 

[Garden Peas]

*Acidified* copper sulfate.


-Kathy

Not sure when this supplement would be used, or why... or how one would know?

The Gamebird Crumble (Manna-Pro product) that I am currently feeding apparently already has supplemental copper in it, and a cautionary note to NOT feed it to sheep or other copper sensitive species.

 

[casportpony]

 
This is what the person with the very sick spalding hen did, she used Safeguard, then ivermectin and almost lost her hen to capillary worms and coccidia. 

-Kathy

At what dosage?  I don't think either would treat coccidia.

You're correct, neither will treat coccidia, but the coccidia was probably secondary to the capillary worm infestation. The amount of Safeguard used was 3cc per gallon and that was followed up with a large dose of ivermectin. Can't remember exactly what she said, but I do remember thinking it was *way* more than the mfg recommended dose of 0.2 mg/kg. Not saying that more is dangerous, just that even with more, it made no difference. Had she wormed with the proper amounts of Safeguard or Valbazen, the whole thing might have been avoided. I'm not a UPA member, so I have no idea what these "member only" articles say.

-Kathy

 

[birdman55]

from my understanding to treat with safeguard its 1.2cc per bird orally and 2 1/3 tablespoon for one gallon of water....and when you use it with water the safeguard sinks to the bottom and settles..i don't think that its a accurate way to give it to the birds....seems like there is a lot of waste...I fed it to my birds in the water and went thru a lot of it in doing so...I think it would be more cost effective being used orally compared to water given....