Showgirl Questions

[shay20]

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Ok that makes sense!

Now, I forgot to mention that the chipmunk colored chick that came out of the showgirl hens crossed with either a bowtie or nonbowtie has light skin, light toes and only 4 toes.

It looks to me like it is going to have barred feathering on the wings ??????? My understanding from the breeder I got the showgirls from only bred them showgirl to showgirl.

Would this barred coloring come from the background of a barred turken ????? Very cute little chick.


So as far as the other chicks go that have the 5 toes, dark skin and are silkies, they would be classified as 100% silkie ????


Guess I need to study a genetics book hey ?? LOL I should have paid more attention back in high school, who would have thought you'd use this info one day breeding chickens !!! LOL

Yea a full silkie hatch from teh parents of a showgirl and silkie will not carry the nn geene so it is pure silkie.

The chick that has light skin and 4 toes, that could men that one or both of the parents are not pure showgirl and could be carrying the more the naked neck turkin geene, or got crossed with something else.

 

[FrenchToast]

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Ok that makes sense!

Now, I forgot to mention that the chipmunk colored chick that came out of the showgirl hens crossed with either a bowtie or nonbowtie has light skin, light toes and only 4 toes.

It looks to me like it is going to have barred feathering on the wings ??????? My understanding from the breeder I got the showgirls from only bred them showgirl to showgirl.

Would this barred coloring come from the background of a barred turken ????? Very cute little chick.


So as far as the other chicks go that have the 5 toes, dark skin and are silkies, they would be classified as 100% silkie ????


Guess I need to study a genetics book hey ?? LOL I should have paid more attention back in high school, who would have thought you'd use this info one day breeding chickens !!! LOL

Yea a full silkie hatch from teh parents of a showgirl and silkie will not carry the nn geene so it is pure silkie.

The chick that has light skin and 4 toes, that could men that one or both of the parents are not pure showgirl and could be carrying the more the naked neck turkin geene, or got crossed with something else.

Ok, I understand that a full silkie hatch out of parents that are showgirl and silkie will not carry the nn (assuming you mean Necked neck??) and will be 100% silkie but what will a full silkie hatch be from two showgirl parents? ? Will it or could it still be nn ?

So correct me if I'm wrong. Any silkie hatched from showgirls will be 100% silkie and never pass on the nn gene?

I talked with the previous owners of the showgirls tonight and he said he has been breeding the showgirls to showgirls for 3-4 years now and they supposedly came from a breeder that developed the breed ???? He is going to find out who that is so I will be able to investigate this later.

So this leads me to another question. How were showgirls originally created? If I wanted to make some showgirls of my own what would the process be ???

Geeezzzz, this is so interesting but it is like opening a whole can of worms !!! LOL Sorry for all the questions but this is so interesting !!!

Thanks FrenchToast

 

[shay20]

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Yea a full silkie hatch from teh parents of a showgirl and silkie will not carry the nn geene so it is pure silkie.

The chick that has light skin and 4 toes, that could men that one or both of the parents are not pure showgirl and could be carrying the more the naked neck turkin geene, or got crossed with something else.

Ok, I understand that a full silkie hatch out of parents that are showgirl and silkie will not carry the nn (assuming you mean Necked neck??) and will be 100% silkie but what will a full silkie hatch be from two showgirl parents? ? Will it or could it still be nn ?

So correct me if I'm wrong. Any silkie hatched from showgirls will be 100% silkie and never pass on the nn gene?

I talked with the previous owners of the showgirls tonight and he said he has been breeding the showgirls to showgirls for 3-4 years now and they supposedly came from a breeder that developed the breed ???? He is going to find out who that is so I will be able to investigate this later.

So this leads me to another question. How were showgirls originally created? If I wanted to make some showgirls of my own what would the process be ???

Geeezzzz, this is so interesting but it is like opening a whole can of worms !!! LOL Sorry for all the questions but this is so interesting !!!

Thanks FrenchToast

If the previuse owners have them the origally one who created teh showgirls, then he has offsprings of offsprings of offsprings hehe or he got them from someone who made a new generation of there own who started from sratch, naked neck bantam with a pure silkie.
That would explain why one of your chicks has the light skin and 4 toes.
I would like to know aswell if his came from the origall line.

It took generations to create the stunning showgirl.

If you start from sratch, you would breed a Naked neck bantam to a Pure silkie and work with the offsprings, take a baby NN from them and breed to a pure silkie, take the best offspring of that pair and breed to a pure silkie and so on and so on till you get the full black skin 5 toes on each and silkie feathering.

The reason you should breed a showgirl to a pure silkie is to keep up with the feathering, and to keep them to the pure showgirls,
when someone is breeding a showgirl to showgirl they get less neck feathers and less vent feathers.
If you are looking for PQ then thats ok, But for SQ then it is best to breed silkie to showgirl.

I have a few pics of mine and one that i breed a silkie to a nn that carried teh silkie geen i will post you taht pic.

If you breed 2 showgirls together you should get all showgirls, i belive, but i would assume the silkie will still come seeing that it is in the back ground of teh showgirls, And i dont belive if a silkie was born from a pair of showgirls it will carry the nn geene, i breed mine showgirl to silkie.

For you , becouse you have a couple showgirl chicks, you should breed those to pure silkies.

Here is a pic of a silkie breed to a Naked neck bantam who carried teh silkie geene (he had teh black feet and 5 toes) but smooth feathers.
Notice this one has the dark skin, crest not full and smooth feathers so if i was to start from sratch i would be him to a pure silkie,

Now this baby i breed a silkie to a showgirl

 

[ultasol]

If you end up looking to replace your cockerel, I have some nice whites available that are SQ. One I've shown at two shows so far this season, but I only need one male with my white silkie cock as backup.

My start came from Sheryl Butler, who has been a real advocate for the Showgirls. I have showgirls in blue and white with the occasional black popping up. So far, no splashes. All are from silkie over SG breedings... no SG on SG.

 

[FrenchToast]

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Do you have a SG cockerel or Silkie Cockerel? I would like to keep my showgirls non bearded so if I get a silkie Roo I'd like a SQ non bearded. I"m finding it hard to find one of those, with the big topknot and non bearded.

Does it matter if the SG is a hen or roo if you cross it with the opposite sex silkie???

I have some very nice silkie white hens and roos but they are all bearded. ;(


I have one white non bearded roo but he doesn't have a very big topknot. I call him my generic silkie. I think he is a hatchery silkie. Got him from a neighbor. He has nice feet, I'd say fair amount of feathering. Not an ugly bird but not like the other silkies I have.

And speaking of bearded, non bearded, if I did cross my SG hens with a bearded Roo would I get some non bearded chicks? Then if I did and wanted to keep the non bearded line going could I keep getting nb if I just used the non bearded chicks? Would the beards show up on occasion ?

I So need to get a genetics book !!! LOL


I"ll have to post some pictures of my SG's. I don't think they look half bad for being bred SG to SG. I'll work on that later today.

 

[shay20]

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What state is she from?
I am asking becouse i got my start from fellow BYCer from Florida.

 

[bacres]

Who has the best Show Girls around?

 

[ultasol]

Sheryl Butler is from WA. She no longer has blues or blacks, only buffs and whites. I have cockerels available in white and blue... one black.

I don't understand what you mean by bearded or non-bearded SG? They have the naked neck gene, the heterozygous ones have a bowtie, and sometimes have some feathers around the ears.

I breed mine back to the bearded SG, but if you wanted to breed them to a nonbearded line that would be fine. I did have a random nonbearded cockerel pop up this year, but I sold him to a 4h kid at a show.

I can post some pictures later today. I just bathed a couple yesterday.

 

[ultasol]

I have an ancient digital camera and relatively poor photography skills, but here are some young SG cockerels I photographed last night. Here's the black.

and here's the blue

 

[ultasol]

and white...
I need to get new pictures of the whites because they have filled out a bunch, in fact, I don't think I have pictures of my cockerels yet except from the shows. So, here's a pullet.

and this is the mother of the blues. I have a blue mihalik cock over her.