SICK PEACOCK NEAD HELP!!!

[casportpony]

The red in post #27 is my reply to Pfaunfreund's post #26.

 

[casportpony]

I feel Im not much help here.I didnt know about the greens being more sensitive to cocci Pfaunfreund. Thats interesting. I assumed it would be the same in getting cocci as say an IB. I thought it was gapeworm in Franco's bird had because of his first post with the bird gasping. I assume you think its cocci now because of the white droppings. I have had some white droppings in my two green peacocks and pheasants and ducks as well for years. I have always assumed this as normal poop. I dont know wether Franco's bird has cocci or gapeworms or both .Or something entirely diffferent even. I heard about yellow mucous poop being blackhead more than likely as well. If Im going off symptoms I would think yellow poop is the first sign the bird has blackhead. Gasping first I would think the first sign bird has gapeworm. What would you consider the first sign of cocci exactly however ?White poop? Im blessed I have not had to deal with any of these ailments. It sound like you have had cocci alot so maybe Franco better use Baycox and/or Tigent.
Im always trying to learn more about ailments and which one it is is myself.

I just gave my best guess to Franco. I also didnt know francos bird was a green. Wish a bird vet could help Franco. Maybe the Tigent cured the problem.Hope so!

I don't worry about the occasional odd looking poop (unless it has blood or is some shade of yellow), I worry when 100% of the poop looks wrong.

 

[destinduck]

Thanks for sharing carsportpony.I feel !00% the same way about poop LOL! But seriously what do you personally think was originally wrong with Francos bird since your first response was using baytril? Also since the baytril didnt help what does he do now.

 

[casportpony]

Thanks for sharing carsportpony.I feel the same way about poop LOL! But seriously what do you personally think was originally wrong with Francos bird since your first response was using baytril.

From what I've read about gapes here on BYC is that it kills pretty quickly, so I thought it sounded more like a URI. Given what I know about Mexico, I knew he could get some Baytril probably very easily (one of the local feed stores used to sell brand name Baytril from Mexico). I guess I should have been pushier about poop, weight and feed/water consumption, but I thought that the language barrier might make it difficult (sorry if I'm wrong about that Franco).

If I had to start all over again, I would ask him to actually weigh his bird, not just guess. At nine months he should be well over 3.6k, but in post number 10 he says he's 3kg, which is less than my 5 month old IB weighs. I would also ask him to post some pictures of his poop and to tell us exactly how much he was eating and drinking.

I'd also ask him what strength Baytril he used and how much.

Another thing it could be, I guess, is a capillary worm infestation, which, accoring to this UPA article, cannot be treated with Ivermectin.

Source: http://www.peafowl.org/ARTICLES/21/

MORE ON WORMING AND DISEASE
By Ted Golka
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I usually don’t write to periodicals, but after reading the IF IT WERE ME column, I wanted to share my experience with capillary worms and peafowl. I’m not a veterinarian, but I have worked in the field of veterinarian medicine for over twenty years. During this time, I have been involved with the propagation and husbandry of both domestics and exotics ranging from finches to emus, mice to quarter horses.
During the ten years spent raising peafowl, I have formed the opinion that there are three main parasitic enemies. Histomonas (blackhead), coccidia (coccidiosis), and nemotodes (worms). Of these three, coccidia and nematodes are the most difficult to eliminate.
There are three types of capillaria worms. Capillaria caudinflata has an intermediate host in the earthworm and infect the bird’s small intestine. Capillaria obsignata is passed directly form one bird to another and infects the small intestine and ceca . Capillaria contorta can either be passed directly or by the earth worm and infects the mouth, esophagus, and crop.
Ivomec is a very good wormer. I personally use two to three bottles a year on everything from pigeons to sheep; but is not effective against capillary worms. I, like many other, used Ivomec and automatically assumed I was doing a good job of controlling internal parasites until one fall. A peahen I had purchased during the summer started to go downhill on me. The bird had been quarantined for three weeks after it was purchased and treated for blackhead, coccidia, and wormed with Ivomec. At first, I just felt the bird needed to be rewormed, but two weeks after re worming the bird showed very little improvement. I ran a fecal sample and, you guessed it, the bird was loaded with capillary worms.
When I called my vet and explained what I had found , he couldn’t believe that I had never read the package insert for the product. His words were “It’s not a miracle drug. It has its limitations. If you want to get capillaria, you should be using Panacure:. I used the Panacure not only on the sick bird but on all my peafowl. The sick bird recovered and was laying eggs the following spring.
Panacure cattle dewormer is manufactured by Hoechst-Roussel. It is a fenbendazole 10% suspension. The dosage that I used was 5mg. Per lb. of bird, or .1cc per every two pounds of bird orally for three days. I have also mixed 1.5cc of Panacure with a half a gallon of drinking water for three days and had good results. The only problem is that the Panacure has a tendency to settle out of the water, so you might want to stir the water one during the day. I personally remove the bird’s drinking water the night before. The next morning, they get fresh water with the wormer added. I water with the wormer added. I do this for three days and then repeat the process again in 14 to 21 days. I feel this should be done two to three times a year.
Finally, I would like to comment on a couple of things about Ivomec. First, because of the way it works, it only needs to be administered once, not three days in a row like most wormers. Once it’s in the system, it lasts for approximately 30 days – it doesn’t matter if it’s given orally or injected. The dosage is the same.
Ivomec has a very large margin of safety, but you should still not overdose. For an adult peafowl, .25 cc is more than adequate. I still use the Ivomec for the control of external and internal parasites, but I also use the Panacure for the capillary worms.
A WORD OF CAUTION: it is not advisable to give both wormers at the same time. I give the Ivomec about one month after the second worming with Panacure.


Reproduction of this article elsewhere in any form without prior consent from the UPA is strictly prohibited. © 1999 The United Peafowl Association. All rights reserved.

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[casportpony]

I should add that dehydration will more than likely be the cause of death if this bird dies. If he were mine, he would get 30ml/kg every 6 hours for 24 hours and then I would start tube feeding him 100ml of food twice a day and 30ml of fluids four times a day, but only if his crop was clearing and he could still stand and hold his head up.

He would also be indoors where it's warm.

 

[destinduck]

Thanks casportpony.

 

[casportpony]

I should say that I know nothing about gapes and capillary worms other than what I have read on BYC and the UPA article.

 

[FRANCO2]

I HAVE 3 DAYS GIVING HIM ''TIGENT'' AND HE IS DOING MUCH BETTER!!!!!! HE IS EATING NORMAL.

THANK YOU ALL FOR EVERYTHING YOU GUYS WERE VERY HELPFUL

 

[casportpony]

I HAVE 3 DAYS GIVING HIM ''TIGENT'' AND HE IS DOING MUCH BETTER!!!!!! HE IS EATING NORMAL.

THANK YOU ALL FOR EVERYTHING YOU GUYS WERE VERY HELPFUL

What is "tingent"?

 

[kuntrygirl]

I HAVE 3 DAYS GIVING HIM ''TIGENT'' AND HE IS DOING MUCH BETTER!!!!!! HE IS EATING NORMAL. THANK YOU ALL FOR EVERYTHING YOU GUYS WERE VERY HELPFUL 

What is "tingent"?

X2. And why do you give it? What's it for? And what is the dosage and for how long?