Signs of When to HELP

Congrats on the healthy hatchling.

We have had chickens for about five years so we are not anywhere near experts. We had a sitter the second year and hatched a few. One pipped but did not make it out. Experts say that helping them out is a last resort, but when is it necessary? In our experience, the one that did not make it out was shrink wrapped by the dried out membrane. If the chic has not made it out 12 hours after pipping, the membrane will dry out, shrivel up, and prevent the chic from getting out. Sometimes, like last year, the egg may get damaged while being sat on. We keep an eye on the eggs. It one has not made it out in 12 hours, we check for life, remove more shell, and then use a warm, wet paper towel to moisten the membrane. You can tell my it's color. Clear means it is good. If it is turning hazy or white, it is drying out.

If we have to moisten the membrane and still waiting, we will check it again and break more shell. It is true that it may be a weaker chic, but at this point it is dead anyway so why not give it a chance. If you must help it out, chip away the small end careful not to cut into the membrane. The membrane is full of large veins. Cutting a vein will cause the chic to bleed out. After removing entire small half of the egg shell, continue to moisten the membrane. At this point, you can keep an eye on it. Momma hen will have a responsibility to do her thing. If you feel the need to finish the hatching, slowly and carefully cut the membrane avoiding the veins. We generally do this to ensure it will make it out. After removing half the shell and cutting through the membrane, we then remove shell from the bottom half. only about another forth is all that is necessary. By this point, Momma hen will peck at it and get it moving around so it can finish it's journey.

Last year, we had an egg get damaged 2 weeks into the sitting. We just took the end of a shell that we used for scrambled eggs that morning and stuck it over the end. WE were not sure it this would hold the moisture in. It started pipping about a week later. Being that it had two holes in it, we checked it every hour. As soon as the pip hole got large enough to see in it, we started with adding moisture and removing the end cap that we had added earlier. We did not give it as much time to hatch since the 12 hour timer for drying out was shortened by the accidental air vent in the end. It was drying out too fast to let nature run its course so I did remove shell and cut through membrane. Today, Izzy is a healthy hen that just needed a little bit of help.

Damaged egg




Still there and chirping



No pic of end cap, but removed it and moistened



Clear membrane, see all the veins?



Izzy running around. Izzy is short for Is he gonna survive but is female
 
[COLOR=4B0082]Congratulations!  I was following this with baited breath....You did good Switzer.  yay![/COLOR]:thumbsup


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The one of the left is the one i helped out! Enjoying all the attention!
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I have assisted my share of hatchers and have not experienced that if they can't do it themselves they are too weak to thrive. I've only ever had one assisted hatch not grow into a healthy bird and that one lived for over a week and I believe it was a digestive issue that took it. Many times chicks have trouble, not because they are weak, but we have given them hurdles that make it harder. When you artificially incubate there is no law of nature as we've taken the process out of nature.

Malpos can take longer to progress. They are skipping the step of pipping into the air cell and resting for 12-24 hours then advancing to the external pip. Unless I think something is really wrong, I wait until 18 hours after pip to get hands on. Then I expand the pip hole to check the condition/position (if it's possible) and if everything looks alright, I give it 24 hours. Then if there is still no progress I will start an assist. However, many times I don't get far because there is still prominent veining, so I replace and if they don't finish I try again in an hour or so. An assist should not be done if the vascular system between chick and egg has not shut down as this can cause the chick to bleed out, or be very weak upon "hatch". Whenever you start an assist and you run into heavy veining you should stop and replace the egg to the bator. They are not ready if there is veining.

Anytime you have a large area of exposed membrane you can put a light coat of Vaseline or non pain relief antibiotic on it and it will keep it moist.

Congrats on the hatcher! Glad he made it out for you.
I never help unless it's a situation where I think the chick will suffer if not helped out I agree with the laws of nature some chicks are just not meant to hatch and a lot of the chicks that get assistance NOT ALL but a lot have problems down the line
 
im having incubator issues. set my eggs on the 3 of February and hatch day was supposed to be the 21st, i took automatic turner out 3 days b4 hatch day just like the directions said, my temp stayed at 98 an my humidity wouldn't stay past 60. I'm using a still air, and it has holes in the bottom but do i need to plug them up? all my water runs out when i add water, i left the eggs till today cause they were stinking. so i opened them an one was rotten, and the other two had chicks in them but I'm i think had died on the 18th day:(. should i plug the holes? should i place a hand held little fan inside? please some one help me:(
 
im having incubator issues. set my eggs on the 3 of February and hatch day was supposed to be the 21st, i took automatic turner out 3 days b4 hatch day just like the  directions said, my temp stayed at 98 an my humidity wouldn't stay past 60. I'm using a still air, and it has holes in the bottom but do i need to plug them up? all my water runs out when i add  water, i left the eggs till today cause they were stinking. so i opened them an one was rotten, and the other two had chicks in them but I'm i think had died on the 18th day:(. should i plug the holes? should i place a hand held little fan inside? please some one help me:(

2 questions: Are these quail eggs and are you using a home made incubator? Were you running 60% for the whole incubation? You are aware that your goal temp in a still air should be 101-102F taken near the tops of the eggs?
 

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