Silkie breeding, genetics & showing

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It is a federal crime to shoot (including shooting at, but missing) all raptors.  Penalties are pretty severe, so unless you have a spare $10K you are looking to pay in fines, along with 6 months to 10 years in prison, it simply is not worth the risk.  Put some of that extra $$$$$ into protecting your birds instead.


Technically, it is possible to get a permit that would allow you to trap or shoot a specific bird, but you would have to show that you have gone to great efforts to protect your birds, along with a lack of results, and fairly substantial losses.  Pretty hard to meet all that criteria.


I don't believe it is legal to "do in" hawks in Canada either. In fact, I have no intention of SSSing the Coopers Hawk or any of the hawks that show up at my farm, as much as they might frustrate me. (As you can see, I'm FAR more likely to aim a camera at them, than a gun.) The fact is, the Coopers Hawk isn't really a threat to my free-ranging large fowl. He is much more interested in sparrows, finches, junkos, chickadees, etc. The easy stuff. I wouldn't dare let the Silkies free-range unsupervised with him around, however, BUT - when the Coopers Hawk is around, the Red Tails very likely aren't and those guys ARE a threat to my large fowl.
We had a goshawk attack a week and a half ago. Hasn't returned since.

They sure are pretty. I would not shoot a bird of prey. My dad did consider using a dart gun on a blue heron when we were growing up. It ate well over $500 worth of his coy fish. He was not happy lol. Never came back after he decided to get the dart gun.
 
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Thanks for the excellent posts. Your pictures with descriptions are incredibly helpful.
 
Yep, the blues do get that light, for sure. Your blue has some other darker color in there, and some of that is typical and some just aren't a nice even color as they should be. The color on the body SHOULD be even. Just because it's not even does not make it a splash. The darker color in the hackles is usually what pops up first for boys. Blues and splash get really dark through there. The Splash I posted; she has great splash markings, can you see the difference between Blue and Splash? I hoped that the picture would clearly define splash and blue.
Not my blue - or splash - you must be getting me confused with the OP.

The AI-- you can give it a go as much as you want I suppose. I might be working with boys that aren't quite as eager after the morning. If you are wanting to do AI more often, why don't you just trim them all up instead of doing the AI? Sounds like you are wanting to work with multiple girls? In which case, the trimming makes more sense. That's not really what I'm using the AI for-- I'm using with pairs and trio's and that's it.

Oh I have a very good reason for not bothering with trimming. The roo I am using has never bred a girl. He tries to breed me instead. He was a "special" boy who had a rough start in life and was raised inside. So he thinks I am his mate.

The Splash CAN be diluted, though. I have a splash boy who's spots are diluted.

What you can't see in this picture, though, is that a close-up inspection will show spots in his back and his tail. If you saw him in person, you would NEVER confuse him for Blue. I wish I had a better picture of him-- closer up to show his spots. I may have another one of him that shows it better... And while he has fantastic type and is a stunning looking boy, he is not really the most ideal color for Splash. Going to use him on Blue hens which could really help with better Splash color.
***Also-- wanted to add that this picture is what I'm talking about how the boys get darker in the hackles. See how his crest is a lighter color? And his hackles and a bit into the back are much darker? You don't see that on girls.



This is another of my girls, and she's really young (5 months) and she's lacking a really great splashing all over her body, but what splash she does have is very dark and also would never be confused with Blue. She took "Reserve Champion Featherleg" a couple weeks ago. The judge (Art Reiber) came back and talked to me and told me that if I took the coloring/spots off the first girl I showed you and put it on THIS bird (because this one has better type), she would have won 1st. I didn't bother to show you this bird first since this is not the ideal splashing and didn't want to further confuse you on Blue/Splash.

Again, not me. I have NO interest in splash or blue....I only commented that the bird in question LOOKED splash because I saw a few splashes. I must say, the only splash I have seen that made me say "wow" are on HatTrick's site. HatTrick has the best birds IMO....can't wait to get my hands on some.
 
Thanks for the excellent posts. Your pictures with descriptions are incredibly helpful.
Thanks, I take a lot of pictures to help myself, as well. I go back and see how a chick started and ended up. It helps! I'm also starting to catch things earlier due to my obsessive picture taking! ha!

don't know why your post didn't show up, but understandable about the AI. Have you tried him in a pen with a couple of hens? Just a thought. Also, I usually don't comment on colors I don't know about, unless passing on something I've read or heard and usually always with a disclaimer that I am not working with that color. Blues can be tricky and if you were working with them, I think you'd understand what I was saying much better when you hatch them out and see the difference from the start to maturity. (of course, that depends on how dark they are, too) I'm not saying that to be snarky, just saying that when you see them in person, it really helps. They really can be all over in the light to dark spectrum in color. I hope that makes sense! What colors are you working with? My mind is always on BBS, so I forget not everyone loves/works with them too! LOL


Pretty sure they were talking to me
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Just got the names mixed up
Yes, I think it was the "N" in the name that threw me, I wasn't paying close enough attention. The comments were so very similar, I didn't check to see it was not the same person. Sorry!
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Quote: I don't believe it is legal to "do in" hawks in Canada either. In fact, I have no intention of SSSing the Coopers Hawk or any of the hawks that show up at my farm, as much as they might frustrate me. (As you can see, I'm FAR more likely to aim a camera at them, than a gun.) The fact is, the Coopers Hawk isn't really a threat to my free-ranging large fowl. He is much more interested in sparrows, finches, junkos, chickadees, etc. The easy stuff. I wouldn't dare let the Silkies free-range unsupervised with him around, however, BUT - when the Coopers Hawk is around, the Red Tails very likely aren't and those guys ARE a threat to my large fowl.
We had a goshawk attack a week and a half ago. Hasn't returned since.

They sure are pretty. I would not shoot a bird of prey. My dad did consider using a dart gun on a blue heron when we were growing up. It ate well over $500 worth of his coy fish. He was not happy lol. Never came back after he decided to get the dart gun.
Give the koi something to hide under (such as a concrete block with holes), or netting over the pond and you can deter them. We don't have a pond, but several neighbors do. FWIW, hawks will eat the fish, too
 

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