Silkie breeding, genetics & showing

[Tammylr]

   If I remember right?  I think anything considered "partridge" is eb.  Which is a patterning gene (Pg) with brown (eb).   These feather color names get confusing sometimes.  A friend of mine called them "hobby farm names" because most the time they aren't what the bird is for real genetically.

   Non barred/cuckoo splash over black cuckoo, gives you cuckoo males in either black or blue.  And females that are going to be solid blue or black, because of the sex-linking.  Be able to sex them at hatch because the males will have a lighter patch, or spot.  On their heads. Females won't.  But these males will not entirely breed true to cuckoo because they only will have one copy of the gene from their mother.   And need two copies to breed true to just cuckoo with cuckoo hens.
   Not sure what a "paint" is in Silkies??  Have to enlighten me there.  Did you post a picture of her someplace?   Is it something like "calico" in Cochins?   Which is just incomplete/ modified Millie Fleur, or Jubilee.    I'm sure she's really pretty though.

 Porcelains are lavender over Millie Fleur.  So not sure what you mean by lacing?   Only way to tell what that mystery, maybe splash, rooster is.  Is if you can breed him to black or blue to see what you get.  

   My biggest goal this year is trying to save my flock of bantam Araucanas.  Only have a few and they are awful egg eaters.   If I can get enough eggs away from them before they eat them, that is.:/   (I have 4 eggs right now I was lucky enough to get to first.)   I want to hatch new birds and re-home the old ones someplace.  Start over and hope the new ones aren't like their parents about eating eggs.  The one rooster is a nasty little bugger too and I really want rid of him.  LOL!

This is nugget, EE Ii. So incomplete dominant white gene

 

[gojira]

This is nugget, EE Ii. So incomplete dominant white gene

There is no incomplete dominant white gene. Blue (Bl) is incompletely dominant, but not either of the common white genes.

 

[gojira]

They could be eb as the woman who breed them has partridge too and they could be in there too. Next year will be my first breeding season with these particular birds. I plan to hatch like crazy! So the pairings will be a splash rooster over a black cuckoo hen and a paint hen. My porcelains are living at the farm. Still not sure about the rooster from those three, the two pullets are perfect lavender with lacing buy he has no lacing I can see and is just a dirty whit. I look at him and think really light splash. He is beautiful otherwise. They all are with perfectly feathered feet and they are really starting to grow their fluff in well.

Could you post a picture of lavender with lacing? I have never seen that before. A bird has black or blue streaks (if he looks like a light splash) would not be lavender. Lavender is an even coloration. Do you have any pictures of the porcelains?

 

[Tammylr]

Could you post a picture of lavender with lacing?  I have never seen that before.  A bird has black or blue streaks (if he looks like a light splash) would not be lavender.  Lavender is an even coloration.  Do you have any pictures of the porcelains?

Need a picture of her wings and you can see the lacing better

 

[gojira]

I don't see any lacing at all. This one isn't porcelain?

 

[Tammylr]

Need a picture of her wings and you can see the lacing better

this one is lighter than the other two lavenders. I'm thinking a light splash. Need to get a new picture of him. They have all grown so much.

 

[Tammylr]

I don't see any lacing at all.  This one isn't porcelain?

It's hard to see, I'll have to get a picture of the wings, you can see it best there. That and they are silkies so it is hard to see any pattern on them.

 

[Winterwolfbane]

There's a big difference in the genetics of "splash" and "lavender". They look different too as young adults and adults.. But babies are hard to identify between splash and lavender, and can't tell what they are until they feather out sometimes. They sometimes look dirty white or pale grey in chick down. And combined with silver can look very "white" as chicks.
I never take into account baby feathers as far as lacing is concerned because baby feathering most the time looks nothing like adult feathering. I've had duckwings and partridge as chick look almost spangled/mottled in their baby feathering. That wasn't there in their juvenile and adult molts. Baby feathering and hatchling down can indicate sometimes what recessives the bird carries. But it goes away as they become older.
I have a great example of this, the brown gene in silver Columbian or Light Brahma. The chicks hatch with sometimes pale grey down, and dark patches on their heads or faint striping on their bodies. This is the recessive brown gene showing itself and is normal for the breed. They can be a mottled black and white or kind of stippled in their first feathers. But as adults they look "Columbian". Though their adult under down is grey and this is due to the brown gene's influence too.
I'm not great at identifying Silkie colors. I must admit. It's the feather mutation that throws me off. Don't get flustered, things will reveal themselves with time. Can always find out once you start breeding what they are too.

 

[Tammylr]

  There's a big difference in the genetics of "splash" and "lavender".  They look different too as young adults and adults..  But babies are hard to identify between splash and lavender, and can't tell what they are until they feather out sometimes. They sometimes look dirty white or pale grey in chick down. And combined with silver can look very "white" as chicks.
    I never take into account baby feathers as far as lacing is concerned because baby feathering most the time looks nothing like adult feathering.  I've had duckwings and partridge as chick look almost spangled/mottled in their baby feathering.  That wasn't there in their juvenile and adult molts.   Baby feathering and hatchling down can indicate sometimes what recessives the bird carries.  But it goes away as they become older.
   I have a great example of this, the brown gene in silver Columbian or Light Brahma.  The chicks hatch with sometimes pale grey down, and dark patches on their heads or faint striping on their bodies.  This is the recessive brown gene showing itself and is normal for the breed. They can be a mottled black and white or kind of stippled in their first feathers.  But as adults they look "Columbian".   Though their adult under down is grey and this is due to the brown gene's influence too.
   I'm not great at identifying Silkie colors.  I must admit.  It's the feather mutation that throws me off.  Don't get flustered, things will reveal themselves with time.  Can always find out once you start breeding what they are too. 

The ones I actually kept are easy to identify. I kept the obvious splash, the black cuckoo and the paint(white with black leakage). I don't overall like the lavender color and looking at the two that are obviously lavender, they are uniform in color and then on the ends of the feathers that are coming in on their wings it is like a tanish color, much easier to see in a non-silkie but it looks like a lavender bird that is "frosted" with tan tipped feathers. The two are for sure lavenders with lacing. I think the other randome chick is a splash that the breeder mislabeled as coming from her porcelain pen. He is a dirty white and the more he feathers the more I'm convinced he is a splash. Which is awesome because it gives me another gene pool to possibly breed back to. Other than color he is a great looking bird.

 

[gojira]

The ones I actually kept are easy to identify. I kept the obvious splash, the black cuckoo and the paint(white with black leakage). I don't overall like the lavender color and looking at the two that are obviously lavender, they are uniform in color and then on the ends of the feathers that are coming in on their wings it is like a tanish color, much easier to see in a non-silkie but it looks like a lavender bird that is "frosted" with tan tipped feathers. The two are for sure lavenders with lacing. I think the other randome chick is a splash that the breeder mislabeled as coming from her porcelain pen. He is a dirty white and the more he feathers the more I'm convinced he is a splash. Which is awesome because it gives me another gene pool to possibly breed back to. Other than color he is a great looking bird.

Your posts confuse me. Are the "lavender with lacing" and the "porcelain" chicks the same? Are the "lavender bird that is "frosted" with tan tipped feathers" what you are calling porcelain? Are these the same as the chicks you are calling "lavenders with lacing"? You mentioned breeding in a previous post. What are your reasons/goals for breeding? Just curious.