Silkie thread!

[flockofbantams]

Ok I bought a "porcelian" chick last spring, he was nice and sooty as a chick and feathered in as white as a cloud. I still love him, and would like to breed him. I read where white is dominant and can sometimes take over other color genes. So my question is, if I breed him would he pass on the porcelian or white?

He came out of a porcelian mom and dad. I saw the adult birds.

Also I have a black hen and a blue partridge hen, what would his potential chicks with theses hens be?

If you're absolutely sure he came out of two Porcelain parents, then you're dealing with recessive white. That idea fits with his "sooty" chick down as well.

White - both recessive and dominant - is extremely unpredictable. The bird is not genetically white. It can be any color at all - anything from Blue to Partridge - but it's covered with a white coat of "paint". Dominant white could give you some white chicks and/or some of other colors, depending on the hen's color and what color the male is hiding. However, recessive white needs two copies of the gene to make a bird white - so unless you breed him with another white, you won't get white babies. The offspring will carry white, but it will not show, and they will display the result of the male's true color crossed with whatever the hen's color is.

Your male did come from Porcelain parents; so it would be reasonable to assume he is hiding Porcelain. But it's not 100% certain, and because you can't see it, you also can't determine how well marked he is, either.

ok thank you for taking the time to explain it. Yes I am 100% possitive he has two beautifully marked porcelian parents. So hopefully he will pass on the porcelian to a chick or two.
I have him in with a blue partridge hen and a black hen. I'm holding for some colorful chicks! (just pets and fun!)

 

[cgmaster]

My broody silkie has hatched one out of nine so far (I'm expecting hatching all throughout this weekend) the mom is a blue silkie and the dad might be a splash but it looks like my only living silkie cockerel is the father, his dad was a white rooster (genetically silver partridge underneath) and his mom was a smutty buff he looks to be golden (silver/hold) partridge with some columbian pattern. What might I expect from this chick?

 

[Adorkable]

Well,I can't find a chart with breeding white and black but I can find black and splash

A splash silkie isn't considered white. A splash silkie is splash and should be bred to blue, black, or splash (if bred to splash over several generations they will become really washed out looking almost faded).

Here is a chart that I found helpful.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Ok I bought a "porcelian" chick last spring, he was nice and sooty as a chick and feathered in as white as a cloud. I still love him, and would like to breed him. I read where white is dominant and can sometimes take over other color genes. So my question is, if I breed him would he pass on the porcelian or white?

He came out of a porcelian mom and dad. I saw the adult birds.

Also I have a black hen and a blue partridge hen, what would his potential chicks with theses hens be?

No. The usual white in silkies is recessive. There is a dominant white gene, and if the birds came from a paint breeding that is possible; otherwise, very unlikely. White bred to white will give only white offspring. White bred to anything else is unpredictable. White prevents the expression of colours and patterns that are genetically present.

Why do you believe your white is porcelain? Simply because you were told it was? Based upon....what? White chicks are often a bluish grey (sooty?) colour. Blue cream (correct name for "porcelain" silkies) do not look sooty; they are pale lavender and cream coloured; the about of lavender vs cream varies.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Is a splash Silkie a white silkie

No; genotype and phenotype are both different. Splash is genetically two copies of the blue gene (Bl/Bl); white is two copies of the recessive white gene (c/c). In appearance, splash has a sooty/slaty undercolour with splashes/streaks of darker blue/black throughout the plumage. All markings are irregular. White is completely white. Even a very dilute splash does not look white.

 

[Fancychooklady]

No; genotype and phenotype are both different.  Splash is genetically two copies of the blue gene (Bl/Bl); white is two copies of the recessive white gene (c/c).  In appearance, splash has a sooty/slaty undercolour with splashes/streaks of darker blue/black throughout the plumage.  All markings are irregular.  White is completely white.   Even a very dilute splash does not look white.

Thanks Sonoran, genetics do my head in. You explained that perfectly.

 

[flockofbantams]

Ok I bought a "porcelian" chick last spring, he was nice and sooty as a chick and feathered in as white as a cloud. I still love him, and would like to breed him. I read where white is dominant and can sometimes take over other color genes. So my question is, if I breed him would he pass on the porcelian or white?


He came out of a porcelian mom and dad. I saw the adult birds.


Also I have a black hen and a blue partridge hen, what would his potential chicks with theses hens be?

No.  The usual white in silkies is recessive.  There is a dominant white gene, and if the birds came from a paint breeding that is possible; otherwise, very unlikely.  White bred to white will give only white offspring.  White bred to anything else is unpredictable.  White prevents the expression of colours and patterns that are genetically present.


Why do you believe your white is porcelain?  Simply because you were told it was?  Based upon....what?  White chicks are often a bluish grey (sooty?) colour.  Blue cream (correct name for "porcelain" silkies) do not look sooty; they are pale lavender and cream coloured; the about of lavender vs cream varies.

Ok this is why I left this sight for a while. People taking this way to far. I just have my silkies for pets. I bought him from a breeder I saw his parents and there were no whites on site (at the time, so yes I guess he could have been breed from a white and white breeding but like i I said I saw his saw his parents.

He was sooty and has blue on his head and buff on his body. So in really thought he would be blue cream. But then colored in white.
So yes I believe he is a blue cream covered by white. Or how ever the proper term is for that.
Like I said I am not a breeder I don't show. I just love my birds as pets and love blue cream and other interesting colors.
Be kind please, keep I'm mind I am not a professional. I am as the site says a back yard chicken lover

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Quote: Ok this is why I left this sight for a while. People taking this way to far. I just have my silkies for pets. I bought him from a breeder I saw his parents and there were no whites on site (at the time, so yes I guess he could have been breed from a white and white breeding but like i I said I saw his saw his parents.

He was sooty and has blue on his head and buff on his body. So in really thought he would be blue cream. But then colored in white.
So yes I believe he is a blue cream covered by white. Or how ever the proper term is for that.
Like I said I am not a breeder I don't show. I just love my birds as pets and love blue cream and other interesting colors.
Be kind please, keep I'm mind I am not a professional. I am as the site says a back yard chicken lover

You asked a question and I answered. I was not being unkind, and am sorry you took it that way. If both parents have a single copy of recessive white, then some of their offspring will inherit two copies and be white. If you have a good photo of the chick, I will give you my opinion as best I can; you only mentioned the sooty colouring, not the blue or cream in your earlier post. Down colour indicates some of the genes present in the bird, but do not always show up in the adult plumage.

 

[flockofbantams]

 

 

Ok I bought a "porcelian" chick last spring, he was nice and sooty as a chick and feathered in as white as a cloud. I still love him, and would like to breed him. I read where white is dominant and can sometimes take over other color genes. So my question is, if I breed him would he pass on the porcelian or white?



He came out of a porcelian mom and dad. I saw the adult birds.



Also I have a black hen and a blue partridge hen, what would his potential chicks with theses hens be?

No.  The usual white in silkies is recessive.  There is a dominant white gene, and if the birds came from a paint breeding that is possible; otherwise, very unlikely.  White bred to white will give only white offspring.  White bred to anything else is unpredictable.  White prevents the expression of colours and patterns that are genetically present.



Why do you believe your white is porcelain?  Simply because you were told it was?  Based upon....what?  White chicks are often a bluish grey (sooty?) colour.  Blue cream (correct name for "porcelain" silkies) do not look sooty; they are pale lavender and cream coloured; the about of lavender vs cream varies.

Ok this is why I left this sight for a while. People taking this way to far. I just have my silkies for pets. I bought him from a breeder I saw his parents and there were no whites on site (at the time, so yes I guess he could have been breed from a white and white breeding but like i I said I saw his saw his parents.


He was sooty and has blue on his head and buff on his body. So in really thought he would be blue cream. But then colored in white.

So yes I believe he is a blue cream covered by white. Or how ever the proper term is for that.

Like I said I am not a breeder I don't show. I just love my birds as pets and love blue cream and other interesting colors.

Be kind please, keep I'm mind I am not a professional. I am as the site says a back yard chicken lover

You asked a question and I answered.  I was not being unkind, and am sorry you took it that way.  If both parents have a single copy of recessive white, then some of their offspring will inherit two copies and be white.  If you have a good photo of the chick, I will give you my opinion as best I can; you only mentioned the sooty colouring, not the blue or cream in your earlier post.  Down colour indicates some of the genes present in the bird, but do not always show up in the adult plumage.

ok I will see if I can find a good pick of him and will post it

 

[Nakiya]

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