Silkie thread!

[SilverSilkie]

sagersilkies :

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What I tried to explain here was THEORETICAL, please read everything to not come to wrong conclusions.
About inbreeding, when a breeder want to "fixate" genes from external breed than must be done close family crosses.
Here I speak about color-gene needed for a coloration that not yet excist in our breed but is present in an other breed.
A too close family cross is brother X sister because in this way all the recessive genes can come to expression immediately (most genes that causes deformations are recessive).
When is done a controlled "line-breeding" father X daughter or mother X son than this is a relative secure way to do inbreeding without the negative effects of close inbreeding.
A breeder that go to create a "new" coloration in his breed set up different line-breeding tribes.
Mostely after the 3th generation "line-breeding" there is done a cross as between 2 different line-breeding birds to break the negative effects but by keeping most selected genes necessary for the creation of that wanted "new" coloration.

Selection breeding is knowing what you are doing, not just putting together a few chickens and hope for a miracle (read mutation). Learn about the color-genes and the hereditary transmission mechanisms before you start with this. Maybe you must look to it this way : we all find it normal that a vet has got a surgical training before he starts operate, he better not start the operation and after get his education.

or i was just curious cause i breed the same way but stop at the 2 generation and bring in new blood to stop deformities that's why i asked i didn't think u could do it for 6​

A few simple questions to understand what are your goals :
For what reason you do 2 generations of line breeding ?
After you brought in "new blood" how you breed on after ?
Did you calculate in front the wanted results ?
What you try to acchieve with your breedings ?
When you have the answers on these questions we can go on.

 

[sager:)silkies]

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or i was just curious cause i breed the same way but stop at the 2 generation and bring in new blood to stop deformities that's why i asked i didn't think u could do it for 6

A few simple questions to understand what are your goals :
For what reason you do 2 generations of line breeding ?
After you brought in "new blood" how you breed on after ?
Did you calculate in front the wanted results ?
What you try to acchieve with your breedings ?
When you have the answers on these questions we can go on.

ansewr 1 to prevent deformities. Answer 2 haven't got that far just started. Answer 3 to improve the chicks so they didn't have the same faults as one side of the parents. Answer 4 to get the best show quailty birds i can get i just started breeding sq birds so any help would be very helpful and i would be thankful

 

[dorthal]

I want to read all of this thread, I will begin later today. However, I do have a question. Am I the only person that seems to have Silkie Roosters that want to fight you? I was feeding a pen of my silkies the other day, and one of my juvenile roos attacked my hand and took a plug of skin. I have a two year old that will come out of the pen after me. I have never hurt them, but would really like to. This has probably been covered in this thread and I will eventually read about them.

Thanks, guys.

 

[SilverSilkie]

sagersilkies :

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A few simple questions to understand what are your goals :
For what reason you do 2 generations of line breeding ?
After you brought in "new blood" how you breed on after ?
Did you calculate in front the wanted results ?
What you try to acchieve with your breedings ?
When you have the answers on these questions we can go on.

ansewr 1 to prevent deformities. Answer 2 haven't got that far just started. Answer 3 to improve the chicks so they didn't have the same faults as one side of the parents. Answer 4 to get the best show quailty birds i can get i just started breeding sq birds so any help would be very helpful and i would be thankful​

Aha, go on with the education, do the calculations, become experience, be patiently, count on yourselve and you will come to your goal.

 

[SilverSilkie]

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Silkies where crossed with many other races. Temperament is also transfered by genes.

 

[sager:)silkies]

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ansewr 1 to prevent deformities. Answer 2 haven't got that far just started. Answer 3 to improve the chicks so they didn't have the same faults as one side of the parents. Answer 4 to get the best show quailty birds i can get i just started breeding sq birds so any help would be very helpful and i would be thankful

Aha, go on with the education, do the calculations, become experience, be patiently, count on yourselve and you will come to your goal.

What I'm i doing something wrong plus thankyou for alll the help silversilkie

 

[NewToFarming]

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I have one of those boys too! Big Red is my only awnry boy and will sneak up behind me when I am bent over doing something and take a chunk out of my back then he will act like it wasn't him like he is saying "what are you looking at me for, it was the other guy" He was the sweetest boy until I gave him a bath and took him to a show....then he had it out for me! All my other boys are sweethearts!

 

[bantiehen]

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I hear you its sooooo annoying.

I realize that to you sharing photos of your newest pets is why you are here. But realize that many here post photos hoping for accurate critiques of potential. Giving a cutesy "oh so sweet" does not answer their purpose--they want to know whether their bird has potential for exhibition or breeding. If you ask "what do you think of my chick" or something similar, chances are that the people reading don't know that what you are looking for is not a real evaluation. No one is intending to hurt your feelings or denigrade your birds; what they are trying to do is answer the question they thought was being asked. Recognising that a bird has faults is important if you plan to breed or exhibit, and if your purpose is for the bird to be a pet, why would you care that someone acknowledged something that is accurate?

At the age of your chicks, it is impossible to really know how good the birds may become. You can pick out some faults from the beginning, but winning traits can sometimes take a lot of time to develop. Some birds DO start looking great really early, but not all birds that end up great show it early on.

Well my silkies are just pets not for showing and if I do breed them then I will but not for money for myself or for friends who know that they aren't show quaility. Just makes me mad that some people on here can be right down rude and that's not cool at all. When I seek someone's advice on what color my chicks are. and I get well they aren't 100% silkie when in fact that they are. It's not cool to have your birds judged so harshly like a lot of you do on here , just because a lot of us cannot afford expensive sQ birds like a lot of you can.. I've had some HQ birds that were a lot better than any SQ bird I've ever seen before. I think what makes us so mad is that some people on here just don't care about our feelings and there's no reason for anyone to be rude to anyone on here. Just because we don't know what color we will get or we don't understand this or that we're learning just like everyone else. Some of us haven't been breeding that long or have had chickens that long. Or we want to know what color we'll get cause we might want to sell the chicks.

 

[peepblessed]

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Silkies where crossed with many other races. Temperament is also transfered by genes.

That is a very naughty boy!

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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I realize that to you sharing photos of your newest pets is why you are here. But realize that many here post photos hoping for accurate critiques of potential. Giving a cutesy "oh so sweet" does not answer their purpose--they want to know whether their bird has potential for exhibition or breeding. If you ask "what do you think of my chick" or something similar, chances are that the people reading don't know that what you are looking for is not a real evaluation. No one is intending to hurt your feelings or denigrade your birds; what they are trying to do is answer the question they thought was being asked. Recognising that a bird has faults is important if you plan to breed or exhibit, and if your purpose is for the bird to be a pet, why would you care that someone acknowledged something that is accurate?

At the age of your chicks, it is impossible to really know how good the birds may become. You can pick out some faults from the beginning, but winning traits can sometimes take a lot of time to develop. Some birds DO start looking great really early, but not all birds that end up great show it early on.

Well my silkies are just pets not for showing and if I do breed them then I will but not for money for myself or for friends who know that they aren't show quaility. Just makes me mad that some people on here can be right down rude and that's not cool at all. When I seek someone's advice on what color my chicks are. and I get well they aren't 100% silkie when in fact that they are. It's not cool to have your birds judged so harshly like a lot of you do on here , just because a lot of us cannot afford expensive sQ birds like a lot of you can.. I've had some HQ birds that were a lot better than any SQ bird I've ever seen before. I think what makes us so mad is that some people on here just don't care about our feelings and there's no reason for anyone to be rude to anyone on here. Just because we don't know what color we will get or we don't understand this or that we're learning just like everyone else. Some of us haven't been breeding that long or have had chickens that long. Or we want to know what color we'll get cause we might want to sell the chicks.

No one can read the mind of a poster to know what they are looking for as feedback. If you ask "what colour is it," then I would expect answers that say what colour it is or to say it is a mixed colour. And if the answer is "mixed colour" you should not be hurt or angry that someone did not express love and adoration for your bird--you asked for and were given information. You did not ask for validation for your feelings for your bird.

If you ask "what do you think of my birds," I would expect people to critique them based upon their experience with the breed--some will give you minute detail such as a wing set being too loose or lacking to too much crest, too long a back, etc. Some of those comments may be a good assessment from the perspective of the standard, and others may not be. But if you did not want to hear people's assessments, then you need to phrase your request better; there are also people who DO want a serious critique, and being told "he's so cute" does nothing to help them.

No one here is trying to be rude, and reading rudeness into the answers doesn't make sense. It is also not rude to say that a bird does not look like it is 100% silkie. Regardless of YOU knowing its background, the people you are asking DO NOT unless you tell them. One of the birds in the photo that started this discussion looks to have non-silkied wings. Now the photo is not the best, so it could simply be a poor photo, but the poster chose that photo, and made no comments such as "the wings look wring here, but they readlly are silkied--this was just the best photo I could find" or something similar. If the bird is non-silkied, he has non-silkie ancestry somewhere in his past. It happens.

Online writing--heck ANY writing-- is far different than conversation, where facial expression, body language, voice inflection, word spacing, etc. can all give meaning that simply is not present in printed words.