Silkies Of A Different Color

[K Epp]

Can you help me identify the color of my Silkie. She was given to my daughter as a Splash. Although she has the splash markings the color us different. This is pics of her with my Porcelain d'Uccle. She is almost exactly the same color as they are with out the cream.

 

[flocknfoal]

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In a conversation on the genetics thread you said that if I breed this guy I might get a calico girl. So would you consider him a good place to start for a 'calico' project? If I were going to start a project like that, what would be good options for colors to breed with him? thinking..... hmmmm.... ok, so calico is not a specific gene, but rather a combination of colors in a certain type of pattern, is that right?

That's a very cool picture in the book, and your partridge/splash ("calico"?) bird is beautiful. What colors are the parents? Are you specifically working on a project to create / improve calico silkies? What would you say is the difference between a calico and a tortoiseshell?

 

[flocknfoal]

Just read on another thread that calico is splash with autosomal red and tortoiseshell is Grey with autosomal red. Thoughts?

 

[mindylee]

Can you help me identify the color of my Silkie. She was given to my daughter as a Splash. Although she has the splash markings the color us different. This is pics of her with my Porcelain d'Uccle. She is almost exactly the same color as they are with out the cream.

Looks splash to me

 

[Theresa sla]

Just read on another thread that calico is splash with autosomal red and tortoiseshell is Grey with autosomal red.  Thoughts?

You got it just right!!
Splash with red patches should be called calico just becouse that's what their colors look most like compared to the color of cats.
Torts should be the gray with autosomal red in them. Your rooster is tori and stunning!! Love that color in him if your looking for a mate for him look for grays or silver partridge with softer Brown or blurrie red on wings and chest. Males are much more brightly colored with splashy color. But I think there's tons of room for improvement if someone's willing to work on it. They could be stunning!!
For better or worse, I think most if the silkie breeders out there now are working hard to keep there lines as pure and solid in color as posible, and ignoring the posiblitys of Inproveing a mixed color like calico or torts.
I hope you decide to work on them and lots of luck

 

[BuckNBark Farm]

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Pam

 

[mindylee]

Hes beautiful!

 

[BuckNBark Farm]

Hes beautiful!

Thanks -Pam

 

[flocknfoal]

You got it just right!!
Splash with red patches should be called calico just becouse that's what their colors look most like compared to the color of cats.
Torts should be the gray with autosomal red in them. Your rooster is tori and stunning!! Love that color in him if your looking for a mate for him look for grays or silver partridge with softer Brown or blurrie red on wings and chest. Males are much more brightly colored with splashy color. But I think there's tons of room for improvement if someone's willing to work on it. They could be stunning!!
For better or worse, I think most if the silkie breeders out there now are working hard to keep there lines as pure and solid in color as posible, and ignoring the posiblitys of Inproveing a mixed color like calico or torts.
I hope you decide to work on them

and lots of luck

He was sold to me as being from a BBS pen and looked splash as a teenager. You think he looks more gray than splash?

In terms of the genetics and the "splotches' of color typically associated with "calico" - any idea what genes would be most associated with that pattern? Is it a mottle pattern? What about trying to get ahold of some paint silkies and crossing them in?

 

[Theresa sla]

He was sold to me as being from a BBS pen and looked splash as a teenager.  You think he looks more gray than splash? 

In terms of the genetics and the "splotches' of color typically associated with "calico" - any idea what genes would be most associated with that pattern?  Is it a mottle pattern? What about trying to get ahold of some paint silkies and crossing them in?

He looks like a silver partridge or gray bird, no blue or splash that I can see.., but silver will look very much like splash in a young bird only with a bit of pattern instead of random splashes of color.
Autosomal red is responible for the red in your bird, and is NOT a pattern gene but a color gene that will always concentrate in certain places in the bird depending on the sex of the bird
.from my understanding It was originally worked into gold partridge to brighten and intensifie the red color. But was tranfured over to silver partridge when breeder crossed the two in hopes of inproveing silvers partridge patterned gene.
Silver and gold are completely sex related and shouldn't lose or change it's color or tone when mix together, in other words you either have a gold bird or a silver bird, depending on what color each of the parent are. Silver dads will pass silver to the daughters and gold moms will pass gold to the sons or switch the mom and dads colors and the offpring colors will also switch. Thats what sex link means
But autosomal red is not Sex related and is present in both boys and girls depending on the sex of the bird it will be consecrated in differnt locations. And some birds have very little autosomal red and some like yours have brilliant bright red and lots of it. So far I've had two roosters that are considered torties one looks similar to yours with lots of color and the other is all most all silver with the smallest red patch on each wing.
But that doesnt mean your bird dosent have a patterned gene we call it partridge, or technically pencilled pattern but that's not entirely what it makes it tortioushell. Geneticly your looking for a silver partridge with autosomal red. The more the better in my opinion.
If your looking to start a calico project you would need the same autosomal red, only on a splash bird. splash being two copy's of the blue gene.
But no mottled gene , I would love to see a silkie mottled though! That would be fabulous!!!