ChaddiX

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Greetings everyone and welcome to 2021. This new year I've returned to chicken breeding. This time, more educated and smarter - I hope. Why aren't there Silver laced Silkies; Smooth Sizzles, or Modern Game Bantams? Why aren't the most popular colour patterns existing in the most popular and showy of birds? Perhaps they already exist and they aren't easily accessible to the public? But with all the social media out there one would think they would show up. Or maybe the interest just isn't there for LF Silkies or buff laced Modern Game Bantams? I myself would like to see Crested German Langshans (Silkies on stilts -LoL). Until I'm able to have LF or multiple projects, I'd like to focus on silver and gold lacing in MGBs. Now that poultry shows are allowed to resume, access to quality birds should be easier. But with all that said, I'd like to to hear from all points of view on why such colour patterns or sizes don't exist in chicken breeds. AND OF COURSE, please comment on the technique below.

Here's the general technique: Pair of MGB wild type x Pair of Sebright Male (silver) Female (gold) -- becomes sex-linked

I hear splash should NOT be introduced as it can leak, preventing crisp lacing. What colour/pattern would you suggest to begin with? I'd have said partridge - if it existed, as it already as 1or2? of the 3 genes needed for [single] silver lacing.

Understood that drop wing, hen-feather, and comb are factors to out-breed for general MGB form.

where a desired colour of feather pattern is identified, that a particular breeder believes will suit the breed, in this case MGB type. The first maitngs from a breed as close to type as is possible (Silver/gold sebrights). This should be done with male of new pattern to excellent type MGB female (A) and MGB male of excellent type over a female with the desired feather pattern or colour(B). The resulting F1 chicks should be used in the following season, the male birds from group B. mated to the females of group A. This will give the correct MGB form/ type in both male and female, with helpful copies of the genes carrying the desired LACING colour and feather pattern. The resulting F2 chicks should come correct for MGB type in male and female. If the type and size breeds true, they can be referred to as Prototype birds.
 
Here's the general technique: Pair of MGB wild type x Pair of Sebright Male (silver) Female (gold) -- becomes sex-linked

I'm not quite sure which of those four birds you are crossing with which other ones, but I think you might have the sexlinks backwards.

Gold father x silver mother = gold daughters and silver sons.
And there is no way to breed those offspring that will give sexlinks in the next generation.

Silver father x gold mother = silver daughters and silver sons (i.e. you cannot sex them by color.)

In either case, the sons look silver but carry the gold gene, while the daughters have either silver or gold but not both (because the females have only one Z chromosome, and that's where the gold or silver gene is located.)
 
Glad to hear someone working on LF Silkies... although, wouldn't LF Cochins be much closer to the Standard of Perfection than Brahmas? It's all about getting that nice globe-of-a-tail :cool:
Not working on large fowl silkies. Giant silkies.

I have pictures if you don't mind me sharing?
 
Patterned feathers like lacing, pencilling, etc. do not show up on Silkies due to the nature of their feathers. I mean sure, genetically, they could be Silver-laced for example, but the pattern will not show up. They would just be black with white and grey dispersed throughout their body. Generally that's why Silkie breeders stay with solid-colored varieties. Partridge is one of the only patterned varieties that is readily available, and case-in-point they look nowhere near as good as a Partridge Cochin or Orpington for example.
 
Patterned feathers like lacing, pencilling, etc. do not show up on Silkies due to the nature of their feathers. I mean sure, genetically, they could be Silver-laced for example, but the pattern will not show up. They would just be black with white and grey dispersed throughout their body. Generally that's why Silkie breeders stay with solid-colored varieties. Partridge is one of the only patterned varieties that is readily available, and case-in-point they look nowhere near as good as a Partridge Cochin or Orpington for example.
Sizzles and sizzles would show off any pattern better than a Cochin b/c of the added crest and nearly non-existant wattles and comb. Here in CA, S/sizzles are usually kept with Silkies and are exhibited using the same SOP. instagram @chadsbantams I've gotten Partridge sizzles from my Silkies b/c they are split to sizzles. So the real question should be, why aren't there LF sizzles in every colour pattern? Possibly for meateaters who don't want to eat black/purple chicken?
 
Sure, Please.
Here's the F1 cross. Gonna do some back crossing this year to my larger silkie hens.
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Partridge makes "salt and pepper" out of the laced pattern. The best way I can describe it is that you wind up with neither partridge nor fully laced but something in between that is not aesthetically eye pleasing. I wound up with this combination where partridge came from brown leghorns and laced from Silver Laced Wyandotte. It is not hard to breed out, but why add to the difficulty in a breeding plan.

Columbian, Melanotic, and Pattern genes are required to get lacing and it only shows up properly on a feather that has full vanes.

Pic of an F1 hen Silver Laced Wyandotte X Blue Egg Laying Brown Leghorn
http://selectedplants.com/miscan/slw.bebr.hen.jpg

And an F1 rooster http://selectedplants.com/miscan/slw.bebr.rooster.jpg
 

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