Silver or coronation sussex??

[hunter1hall]

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I dont understand how it doesnt fly? The bidding starts at 99 cents and ends at $365. What does that have to do with Greenfire's website or pricing? Im confused, supply and demand are clearly dictating the prices on the auctions. If the supply was higher then people obviously would bid less. Im not trying to argue with you just trying to see things from your perspective. I could understand your point if there were reserves on these auctions. I unfortunately missed out on a half dozen coronation eggs on a 24 hour auction a couple weekends ago. Evidently everyone did, the bidding started at 99 cents and closed without one bid! I am still kicking myself!

Well my point is that the bidding may not being the only thing driving the prices up. The prices that are on the website are what they expect to get for those birds, and this may have been set by the bidding on eggbid, but there are ways to drive up those bids, and we all know that. My point is that there never is and never will be half a dozen eggs that are going to get as much as my house payment. Now, when we see birds sell for these prices, that is totally different because you can see what they are, their type, coloration, ect. But with the chance of hatching birds that could be Coronation (or light or...or...or..well you get the point). When ordering eggs, nothing is guarenteed and for those prices, that is lunacy!

I totally agree. How great though to be able to pay said house payment for 6 eggs. Im going to have these birds and i hope to sell the eggs and chicks. I dont plan on making a fortune, but if it covers my feed costs and initial investment then that will tickle me.

 

[keesmom]

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I totally agree. How great though to be able to pay said house payment for 6 eggs. Im going to have these birds and i hope to sell the eggs and chicks. I dont plan on making a fortune, but if it covers my feed costs and initial investment then that will tickle me.

Greenfire does not sell eggs anyway, chicks and started birds only.

If you really were serious in the silver then I suggest you email Paul and ask about availability. I believe he only imported one pair of the silver, while there were 3 original pairs of coronations. If you don't want to spend the money for a pure pair of coronations then there are a few that have splits available from time to time (Big Blue here on BYC is one).

 

[halo]

This is one breed I wouldnt touch with a ten foot pole. With eggs bringing the prices that they are, you just know there will be some shenanigans going on next spring. I dont know how many eggs have been sold thus far this year, but probably enough that other people will start selling them in the spring. I see them going down the same path as the Marans, and quality, and quite possibly purity, will go down the tubes.

 

[RAREROO]

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I dont understand how it doesnt fly? The bidding starts at 99 cents and ends at $365. What does that have to do with Greenfire's website or pricing? Im confused, supply and demand are clearly dictating the prices on the auctions. If the supply was higher then people obviously would bid less. Im not trying to argue with you just trying to see things from your perspective. I could understand your point if there were reserves on these auctions. I unfortunately missed out on a half dozen coronation eggs on a 24 hour auction a couple weekends ago. Evidently everyone did, the bidding started at 99 cents and closed without one bid! I am still kicking myself!

Well my point is that the bidding may not being the only thing driving the prices up. The prices that are on the website are what they expect to get for those birds, and this may have been set by the bidding on eggbid, but there are ways to drive up those bids, and we all know that. My point is that there never is and never will be half a dozen eggs that are going to get as much as my house payment. Now, when we see birds sell for these prices, that is totally different because you can see what they are, their type, coloration, ect. But with the chance of hatching birds that could be Coronation (or light or...or...or..well you get the point). When ordering eggs, nothing is guarenteed and for those prices, that is lunacy!

Dustin, I completely agree with your point of view here, even if we completly take how much the biddings go up to out of the equation, they prices that are listed on the website are still rediculus, even their Marans, seriously, they're just dark eggs, they're the same on the inside as any other egg. I know it took thousands of dollars for Greenfire to import those Sussex, and I applaud them for doing so, they are really awesome birds, I've seen Sussex from them, and they are huge, but like someone already said, I'm sure they've already gotten that money back from what they already sold, and in my way of thinking, if they would sell them cheaper, they would sell more, and that would help spread them around quicker so they wouldn't be so rare here in the US.

I also agree with halo's statement about the how the Marans quality has declided since they have been out for a few years and haven't been culled and bred to keep up their quality, I imagine the Sussex will eventually be the same way, it probably would be possible to recreate corronation Sussex with a lav orps and Light Sussex, but it would take way longer than a year and half to get the correct type and conformtion.

 

[blackdotte]

Please read my post again but more carefully.It says you will have Coronation birds, ie Silver Columbians with Lavender markings. I did not say they would be good Sussex, that would require enough back crossing to Light Sussex until type was attained
David

 

[RAREROO]

I know that's what you meant David, but I'm afraid others won't understand it and think that as soon as they have a coronation colored bird, that they have Coronation Sussex.

 

[Dustin Biery]

I agree with Rareroo, it will be taken completely out of context, as I also understood what you were saying David.

 

[becky3086]

Humm, well I am glad that was explained better because it really did sound like from a few crosses you could get a Coronation Sussex. Actually, a lot of posts on this board make breeding sound a lot easier than they should.

 

[RAREROO]

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Yeah, I believe if anyone is planning a new project, depending on the amout of outcrossing that would be needed and the difference in the traits of the breeds used, they should expect to spend a minimum of 3-5 years of constant breeding just to get basicly what they are after. But when breeding with the recessive lavender gene, it would take much longer than that because every year or two, you'd have to start all over, breeding back to the pure Light Sussex to improve type and that would restart the whole lavender process over again, and in the time that it would take to recreate Coronation Sussex, I expect that the pure Cor. Sussex from the ones that originate from Greenfire will be more popular, cheaper, and readily available to just get those instead of recreating them.

 

[becky3086]

So I guess if you take into consideration that it would take you at least 3-5 years to make decent Coronation Sussex yourself, the price they are going for doesn't seem all that ridiculous. I guess, I don't see the problem with people selling the birds and eggs for whatever they can get for them, as long as they are decent birds and not some quick mixed color(which these apparently are not). Probably not even a conversation I should really be in as I am not even remotely interested in Sussex but I am always interested in which combinations will make which colors.