Thanks to this forum, our 2009 layer project went awesome! Gotta love fresh, warmed by a butt, eggs! Our 2010 project? Meaties! Building a tractor or 2 (I think). Planning on 50+ birds. 4'x10', wheels, ball hitch, and predator skirts (we have bear, bobs, coys, fisher (lots!), martens, mink, fox and the occasional coon to round out the fauna). Think solar elex wire is a good idea? So here is my main Q. How do you move the tractor, with the birds in it or out? If in, what prevents them from just sitting there like lumps (I'm told CornishXs do that) and running them over with the back of the tractor? I'm afraid I'll hitch it up to the ATV, pull it slowly to a new area, only to find a pile of meat and feathers clumped up at the back of the tractor. Am I missing something? If I take them out to move it, I don't feel like chasing my future cutlets around the yard every morning before I shuffel off to my real job. And a second Q, if I can. A local farmer uses 3' high hardware cloth and makes large circular "pens" which hold up to 40-50 birds, with a VERY crude coop in the center (its nothing more than stiff wire bent into a hut covered with a tarp. A few poles stuck in the ground with wire running between them serves as a deterrent to hawks and eagles from snapping up the McNuggets. Solar elex wire runs around the base of the pen. He says he moves the pens every few days or so, more often as the inevitable day nears and they poop a lot more. He produces a LOT of chix, and sells locally at the farm market. He also said he has not predator problems with the elex wire, and his 2 english sheps are on the job 24/7 (we have the same breed dog at our doomstead) so what is the Q? I like the path of least resistance (and I'm scottish so I'm cheap by design). Is this "pen" process normal (I notice a propensity towards tractors on this BBS). Should I just go this route, save the cash of building a tractor, and end up with cheaper/lb. fryers? I mean, it seems to work for the farmer. Opinions gratefully considered.