Sinking feeling about my flock...neighbor's diseases my problem?

[ten chicks]

Calm down??? We are suggesting she go back to corid due to the fact that after 48 hours her chicks are still bleeding,which is extremely dangerous,but ultimately it is the OP's decision.

 

[6of6chicks]

Deleted 7/24/2014.

 

[6of6chicks]

Deleted 7/24/2014.

 

[ten chicks]

My birds are pets also.

You do not have to switch feed,my suggestion was to add medicated water to non-medicated feed in the event they were not drinking enough medicated water,something i suggest for severe cases,but not necessary.

 

[The Yakima Kid]

As I read these posts the 2 things I dont understand is this" Is owning chickens going to be like this all the time?" &
When my chickens got sick with Coryza, everyone around me told me it was irresponsible to keep contagious chickens. They said that the wild birds will get sick too and perpetuate the issue. So why are some people keeping them and treating em with things to make them feel better~ even when there is no way to get rid of the disease without killing em. Are these people just keeping a small flock forever then? and how do they keep the wild birds from getting sick too and then giving it to the neighbors birds and other wild birds etc etc etc. My heart wanted to keep them so freaking bad. Killing them brings tears to my eyes now, 5 months later! My head knows that personal responsibility to the world around me is always hard but necessary. Nobody likes a pandemic. Isnt keeping "carriers" irresponsibile? I feel as though I need a better graphic display of the overall picture here.
Do not worry about hurting my feeling, sugar coating, or being PC, honesty is what I need.

No.

Take a poop sample to the vet and find out what parasite is present.

Contact extension and ask them for their recommendations.

 

[Eggcessive]

Everyone needs to calm down on recommending stopping the antibiotics before the course is through. Also on insisting she goes back to the corid.

In some areas, the cocci is RESISTANT to corid, and that is the way I am leaning since she treated the full course and they are not better.

We don't want to go creating antibiotic resistant bugs in our chickens, don't stop the antibiotic unless there's a reason to.

I believe sulmet is what people around here have used for cocci that was resist to corid, but don't quote me on that.

As for the bloody poo...do you think it's Cecal poops? Maybe they have capillaria worms or other type of Cecil worms that is causing irritation/damage/bleeding?

Can you get the sample to a vet? Or even to someone either a microscope so you can take a peek yourself? It's really not that hard to do a fecal test yourself.

Sulmet is also an antibiotic. If you go back and read the older posts here on BYC from 2008 or so, everyone used Sulmet. The problem is that it is very hard on kidneys. Yes there are times when cocci becomes resistant to certain drugs, but she seems to have seen improvement. Some people treat with a reduced dosage for a couple of weeks. Some use the lower dose every 3 weeks. If I were going to recommend an alternative drug it would probably be sulfadimethoxine which is a sulfa antibiotic also, but a little safer than Sulmet. Those two drugs do not treat all of the possible strains of cocci as Corid does though. But the two strains that cause bloody stools are treated by them. A stool sample taken to the vet is a good idea to check for worms, but treat for them. Not many posts here with 9 1/2 week old chickens having blood in stools for cecal worms, but plenty with cocci.

 

[The Yakima Kid]

Everyone needs to calm down on recommending stopping the antibiotics before the course is through. Also on insisting she goes back to the corid.

In some areas, the cocci is RESISTANT to corid, and that is the way I am leaning since she treated the full course and they are not better.

We don't want to go creating antibiotic resistant bugs in our chickens, don't stop the antibiotic unless there's a reason to.

I believe sulmet is what people around here have used for cocci that was resist to corid, but don't quote me on that.

As for the bloody poo...do you think it's Cecal poops? Maybe they have capillaria worms or other type of Cecil worms that is causing irritation/damage/bleeding?

Can you get the sample to a vet? Or even to someone either a microscope so you can take a peek yourself? It's really not that hard to do a fecal test yourself.

What she really needs to do is get a sample and have a vet float test in order to find out what is actually wrong with the birds.

If she has finished the full course of antibiotics and they haven't resolved the problem, then there is no reason to continue it since if the disease was every susceptible to antibiotics, it would seem it has become resistant since the drugs had no impact on it.

I wish people would stop giving antibiotics and every patent medicine in the book and consider calling extension for help with diagnosis, and try sending fecal samples for testing. I know of flocks that are wormed twice a year like clockwork and have never been tested to see if they have a problematic parasite load, or even to know which parasites they have, if any. Different types of worms require different worming compounds.

 

[Eggcessive]

As I read these posts the 2 things I dont understand is this" Is owning chickens going to be like this all the time?" &
When my chickens got sick with Coryza, everyone around me told me it was irresponsible to keep contagious chickens. They said that the wild birds will get sick too and perpetuate the issue. So why are some people keeping them and treating em with things to make them feel better~ even when there is no way to get rid of the disease without killing em. Are these people just keeping a small flock forever then? and how do they keep the wild birds from getting sick too and then giving it to the neighbors birds and other wild birds etc etc etc. My heart wanted to keep them so freaking bad. Killing them brings tears to my eyes now, 5 months later! My head knows that personal responsibility to the world around me is always hard but necessary. Nobody likes a pandemic. Isnt keeping "carriers" irresponsibile? I feel as though I need a better graphic display of the overall picture here.
Do not worry about hurting my feeling, sugar coating, or being PC, honesty is what I need.

I'm so sorry for your loss, but coryza is completely different than coccidiosis, and an unknown leg issue that may be an injury or Mareks. It was the responsible thing to do when you had to cull your birds. Many people choose to treat any disease (even coryza) and close their flock to new birds or selling any birds. If I had coryza I would cull since I would be putting other people's birds at risk, but I will help people to treat their birds if they choose to.

 

[Judy]

Remember that the Merck Manual is intended for use by veterenarians, who have a background of knowledge which would include awareness that tetracycline does not kill a protozoa. You have to read the whole article, and often, have some background medical knowledge as well. Here is one sentence from it the Merck article linked earlier in this thread:

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Coccidiosis can cause a good deal of damage to the lining of the intestine. It is logical enough that an antibiotic might be employed to help that lining heal from secondary infections, which may well be bacterial. This would be in conjunction with, and'or after, treatment to eliminate the cocci themselves.

 

[subhanalah]

Remember that the Merck Manual is intended for use by veterenarians, who have a background of knowledge which would include awareness that tetracycline does not kill a  protozoa.  You have to read the whole article, and often, have some background medical knowledge as well.  Here is one sentence from it the Merck article linked earlier in this thread:


Coccidiosis can cause a good deal of damage to the lining of the intestine.  It is logical enough that an antibiotic might be employed to help that lining heal from secondary infections, which may well be bacterial.  This would be in conjunction with, and'or after, treatment to eliminate the cocci themselves.

great explanation