Sinking feeling about my flock...neighbor's diseases my problem?

[redneck momma]

I have waited twice as long as the APA suggested before buying more chickens. Before I do bring them home, I need to know how to conceptualize this situation.See,I wasnt referring to just your posts, its more of a "Global" question. Worms is not a reason to kill for petes sake. BUT Isnt Mareks,Coryza, and other such diseases highly contagious and never cured? I wouldnt kill anything cuz its sick either by the way, but keeping diseased farm animals is a threat to your neighbors+ the people that stop by and visit and go home with the same shoes on to their own farms + wild animals. Theres a thread from a woman who is dealing with that right now on this site.Some wild birds migrate 1000's of miles so infecting them could cause a Serious problem. Look at the spread of SARS. It started in CHINA. A world away. Treating with antibiotics when the cause is unknown can and can and will cause another huge, huge problem. The government ends up having to create laws to prevent these things from getting so far outa control. Whether due to love or money. I hate gvrnmnt interference so I educate myself so I wont be part of the problem. Is there something Im not understanding?

 

[dawg53]

Remember that the Merck Manual is intended for use by veterenarians, who have a background of knowledge which would include awareness that tetracycline does not kill a protozoa. You have to read the whole article, and often, have some background medical knowledge as well. Here is one sentence from it the Merck article linked earlier in this thread:

Quote:

Coccidiosis can cause a good deal of damage to the lining of the intestine. It is logical enough that an antibiotic might be employed to help that lining heal from secondary infections, which may well be bacterial. This would be in conjunction with, and'or after, treatment to eliminate the cocci themselves.

x2. This is exactly where sulmet or sulfadimethoxine would be used if amprolium is ineffective.
http://www.drugs.com/vet/sulmet-drinking-water-solution-12-5.html

 

[6of6chicks]

Deleted 7/24/2014.

 

[casportpony]

You can give Safeguard and oxytetracycline at same time according to what I read. You are *not* supposed to give tetracyclines and aspirin and the same time. Will take a picture of that warning. If you decide to give the wormer, give it orally, not in the water.

-Kathy

 

[dawg53]

I don't recommend giving both at the same time, too much stress on an already weakened immune system. Worms are probably the root cause of all the problems you're seeing. Dose all your birds with the safeguard.

 

[welasharon]

You are not irresponsible....nor are you a bad person...if you were you would just let them die on their own. I think you may be over anxious about them which is easy when you first get chickens. I think you may have some domino effect happening here as well. After you have them for a while you begin to notice their personalities and behavior which varies from bird to bird. This will help you know when something is amiss with their health. One bloody poop isn't too much to panic over nor is a sneeze. You just have to watch to see if its repeated. Once you get past this crisis you will be able to enjoy them. No it isn't like this always to have chickens but they are living and do have problems from time to time.

Having coryza is much different from mareks and other issues. THat is the only thing I have culled for. Mareks I have only in my crested birds that have genetic issues due to small gene pools in the US.

Oh, BTW listen to Dawg..he has extensive chicken experience and has helped me many times. He knows his stuff.

 

[Eggcessive]

Remember that the Merck Manual is intended for use by veterenarians, who have a background of knowledge which would include awareness that tetracycline does not kill a protozoa. You have to read the whole article, and often, have some background medical knowledge as well. Here is one sentence from it the Merck article linked earlier in this thread:


Coccidiosis can cause a good deal of damage to the lining of the intestine. It is logical enough that an antibiotic might be employed to help that lining heal from secondary infections, which may well be bacterial. This would be in conjunction with, and'or after, treatment to eliminate the cocci themselves.

But in this table in the same Merck's article, here is the table that says that oxytetracycline will treat Cocci. My point is that I would use Corid first, then tetracycline if I didn't have Corid, or another coccidiostat. I agree that there may be damage to the intestines that may take some time to clear up. I've never heard of secondary infections with cocci, but chronic cocci infections can lead to enteritis, a bacterial infection later on.

Table 2 from Merck Manual "Coccidiosis"

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Drugs for Treatment of Coccidiosis in Chickens a

Drug

Feed or Water

Use Level, Treatment Duration

Withdrawal Time (days)

Amprolium

Water

0.012%–0.024%, 3–5 days; 0.006%, 1–2 wk

0

Chlortetracycline

Feed

0.022% + 0.8% calcium, not more than 3 wk

0

Oxytetracycline

Feed

0.022% + 0.18%–0.55% calcium, not more than 5 days

3

Sodium sulfachloropyrazine monohydrate

Water

0.03%, 3 days

4

Sulfadimethoxine

Water

0.05%, 6 days

5

Sulfamethazine (sulfadimidine)

Water

0.1%, 2 days; 0.05%, 4 days

10

Toltrazuril

Water

25 ppm, 2 days

NAb

a Approved in the USA, except for toltrazuril

b Not applicable
Anticoccidials are given in the feed to prevent disease and the economic loss often associated with

 

[casportpony]

Medicated chick starter has amprolium and people use oxytetracycline to treat sick chicks all the time, right? Neither is listed in having drug interactions with the other in Plumb's Vet Drug Handbook. Would it help if I posted the drug interactions, warnings, etc on the drugs mentioned in this thread?

-Kathy

 

[6of6chicks]

Deleted 7/24/2014.

 

[ten chicks]

Link for microscopic slides of different parasites.


www.pet-informed-veterinary-advice-online.com/fecal-float.html