Sled dog breeding

[Starfire669]

the AKC doesn't care if you sell dogs without papers.   However, if you advertise your litter as "$400 with papers or $200 without" the AKC considers that to be "selling papers"    IE, you are charging them $200 just to get the AKC registration.   

That is illegal under the AKC.    If the dog is worth $200, then AKC paperwork isn't going to magically make it a better dog.   It is their attempt to help stop people from ripping off buyers.      Selling pups for different prices with or without papers is a huge red flag of a bad breeder.  

There is also the fact that AKC papers can be stolen. Maybe. Litter is registered and a pup dies, but the paperwork remains. Someone unethical seller can use that paperwork on a different dog to try and increase its value or appeal to a potential buyer. Some backyard breeders even register more pups than are actually born in order to do this. It is why DNA testing is becoming so important in dog breeding.

 

[dainerra]

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it can happen but not often. That is part of the important thing of finding a good breeder. If you don't trust them with the paperwork why would you ever trust them with dogs? Dogs aren't generally required to be DNAed unless they have sired over a certain number of litters. Imports, however, must be DNAed as part of the registration process. However, any person who questions a pup's parentage can ask for a DNA test to be done. In some cases (depending on evidence) the AKC may request the breed do it. I don't know anyone who has had it done. Also, wanted to correct your previous post - OFA doesn't issue official results until 2 lol I remember those days between dropping the xrays in the mail and waiting for the paperwork. Even though I had several people assure me that the xrays would rate good or better based on their experience, I was still biting my nails until the official paperwork. It's usually easier to simply have a litter sired than to buy a male and hope that he grows into what you want. Some people who own studs choose to lease a female so that they can breed a litter. It's definitely not for the faint of heart! Then to top it off, every time she has a litter there is always a chance of losing your girl.

 

[Starfire669]

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it can happen but not often. That is part of the important thing of finding a good breeder. If you don't trust them with the paperwork why would you ever trust them with dogs? Dogs aren't generally required to be DNAed unless they have sired over a certain number of litters. Imports, however, must be DNAed as part of the registration process. However, any person who questions a pup's parentage can ask for a DNA test to be done. In some cases (depending on evidence) the AKC may request the breed do it. I don't know anyone who has had it done. Also, wanted to correct your previous post - OFA doesn't issue official results until 2 lol I remember those days between dropping the xrays in the mail and waiting for the paperwork. Even though I had several people assure me that the xrays would rate good or better based on their experience, I was still biting my nails until the official paperwork. It's usually easier to simply have a litter sired than to buy a male and hope that he grows into what you want. Some people who own studs choose to lease a female so that they can breed a litter. It's definitely not for the faint of heart! Then to top it off, every time she has a litter there is always a chance of losing your girl.

That is true. The unofficial OFA results can be obtained at 1, but the results that goes into their records only can be issues at 2. We are waiting till both Phantom and Dawn are old enough for official results. And it won't hurt either to be fully mature, Dawn will be 3 and a half, so she should be calm and ready to be a good mom. Sibes are very high energy, they usually don't lose their puppy playfulness till around 4 years of age. My breeder of Phantom has a show line female that is even larger than Dawn, and that female, Ginger, easily births pups because she is always breed to a male that is on the small size. Her pups end up being about 50/50 for show/pet quality. So the hope is that Dawn, being bred to Phantom (who incidentally is the son of the stud bred to Ginger, but out of a tiny female named Nikaya) will help Dawn have easy births and quality pups. The breeder considered keeping him for her own breeding program, but then got a sable male and an agouti male (she was retiring my boys sire) and decided she did not need 5 breeding males, and 1 nuetered male (she kept the stud after neutering because she loved him). It was a risk we took with Phantom, but so far he is growing well, has great personality, and does not seem like he has any faults I can see. Soon I will be taking both Dawn and Phantom to my breeder for an evalutation. My breeder lives nearly 5 hours away. Because Dawn grow too large for confirmation shows, we have to start out with breeding before showing. But I have found confirmation classes and I do work with Phantom. Not sure I can show him right now (I have metal rods in my spine and another disk is going out) but I really want to show and breed quality Siberians.

 

[Americano Blue]

how does this fit in with breeding mushing dogs?

 

[Starfire669]

how does this fit in with breeding mushing dogs?

My point was that no matter what you are trying to breed, it is a large investment of money, time, and a lot of learning and study to do it right and well. My dogs may be show lines and his sled lines, but the underling principles are the same. The OP will need lean, well built dogs to be able to run and pull a sled. Good sled dogs have deep, well defined chests with lots of room for its lungs, but not so wide as to interfere with its legs while running. Their shoulders should be well sloped for power and traction, their topline should be straight, their gait should be smooth and effortless, and the perfect sized dog weighs about 45-60 pounds. This weight requires the least food for high speed long distance running. I don't own sled dogs, but even I know those traits are key to a good running dog. Without knowing what to look for in a quality dog, how can you then breed quality pups? Research what the currently winning dogs look like, what breeds they are, and ask good top mushes questions, before jumping into something that you may possibly regret later.

Breeding dogs or any animal is a responsibility and commitment. You do not want to breed substandard dogs, or dogs with diseases and problems and then sell or use those dogs. This is the 1 way that issues such as hip displesia and other issues are perpetuated in breeds and lines. Does the OP know what diseases are common in his chosen breeds? For pure bred siberians (my chosen breed) cataracts are common, epilepsy can affect some, hip displesia is rare, but can crop up from time to time, and there are others. Knowing the dieases that affect his breed is important, as is knowing the lineages of the breeding dogs. Then there is the training aspect of sled dogs, which the OP is asking for advice on and that is a great start. But before breeding I would advise training some dogs first to make sure this is truely what the OP wants. Truely good sled dogs do have good blood lines, training, and upkeep that costs a lot (in both time and money) to maintain.

 

[Americano Blue]

My point was that no matter what you are trying to breed, it is a large investment of money, time, and a lot of learning and study to do it right and well. My dogs may be show lines and his sled lines, but the underling principles are the same. The OP will need lean, well built dogs to be able to run and pull a sled. Good sled dogs have deep, well defined chests with lots of room for its lungs, but not so wide as to interfere with its legs while running. Their shoulders should be well sloped for power and traction, their topline should be straight, their gait should be smooth and effortless, and the perfect sized dog weighs about 45-60 pounds. This weight requires the least food for high speed long distance running. I don't own sled dogs, but even I know those traits are key to a good running dog. Without knowing what to look for in a quality dog, how can you then breed quality pups? Research what the currently winning dogs look like, what breeds they are, and ask good top mushes questions, before jumping into something that you may possibly regret later.

Breeding dogs or any animal is a responsibility and commitment. You do not want to breed substandard dogs, or dogs with diseases and problems and then sell or use those dogs. This is the 1 way that issues such as hip displesia and other issues are perpetuated in breeds and lines. Does the OP know what diseases are common in his chosen breeds? For pure bred siberians (my chosen breed) cataracts are common, epilepsy can affect some, hip displesia is rare, but can crop up from time to time, and there are others. Knowing the dieases that affect his breed is important, as is knowing the lineages of the breeding dogs. Then there is the training aspect of sled dogs, which the OP is asking for advice on and that is a great start. But before breeding I would advise training some dogs first to make sure this is truely what the OP wants. Truely good sled dogs do have good blood lines, training, and upkeep that costs a lot (in both time and money) to maintain.

1. yes your right the goal weight is 55lb
2. the top winning dog breed is i believe Alaskan huskies (at least Iditarod wise)
3. i didn't mean that to be rude i seriously didn't understand what this had to do with sleddogs since it seemed to fit better with pet dogs or show dogs.
4. the OP and i have pm one another and from what we talked about is sounds like she isn't gonna breed for a long time after she get more serious about mushing

 

[SternRose]

I breed pure bred mini Rex's, i might be getting 2horses soon, and I breed ducks, chickens and starting on turkys. I have the time and all the commentment. Only a stupid person gets a breeding pair and starts breeding, I know that I need to train first. Duh who doesn't.? I'm not gunna breed until I get a team that a dog musher says its a good team and they tell me which b*tch to breed to my stud.

 

[dainerra]

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you'd be amazed at how many people just seem to wake up one morning and say "I think I'm going to breed dogs" or horses. or chickens. or whatever. To be a breeder you also have to be an excellent people person. So that you can educate buyers and you can pick out the best homes vs the one who say the breed in a movie and wants one "just like on TV"

 

[Americano Blue]

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true alot of people don't put much thought into breeding. they think its easy but breeding for quality takes alot of work

 

[SternRose]

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you'd be amazed at how many people just seem to wake up one morning and say "I think I'm going to breed dogs" or horses. or chickens. or whatever. To be a breeder you also have to be an excellent people person. So that you can educate buyers and you can pick out the best homes vs the one who say the breed in a movie and wants one "just like on TV"

I've been thinking this through for months now. But my teams gunna be post pond if I get the two miniature horses.