Sled dog breeding

[SternRose]

Yes and I'm not even getting her.

 

[Americano Blue]

Lol. What else do you need to know about mushing before you talk to ur parents

 

[SternRose]

How do I train them

 

[dainerra]

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a breeder who charges more for females than for males is yet another HUGE red flag. I would do some research into how to find a good breeder. Also, in several posts you are asking how to train the dogs? If you have never trained sled dogs, you need to learn that first. Long before you even think about breeding. You are putting the cart before the horse. You have to know how to train and how to compete before you can start making decisions on which dog to breed to which dog. Which pups will be racing prospects and which will be purely pets. And just because a dog came from a sled dog team doesn't mean that it will have the will to pull. Even then, it doesn't mean that they will pass that drive onto their pups. You need to know a LOT more about these dogs and their family tree before assuming that they will produce good competitive pups.

 

[SternRose]

We have different views of a good breeder than. I like this breeder and she's the one I'm going to. She puts her dogs as pets then show dogs than breeding dogs.

 

[Americano Blue]

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a breeder who charges more for females than for males is yet another HUGE red flag. I would do some research into how to find a good breeder. Also, in several posts you are asking how to train the dogs? If you have never trained sled dogs, you need to learn that first. Long before you even think about breeding. You are putting the cart before the horse. You have to know how to train and how to compete before you can start making decisions on which dog to breed to which dog. Which pups will be racing prospects and which will be purely pets. And just because a dog came from a sled dog team doesn't mean that it will have the will to pull. Even then, it doesn't mean that they will pass that drive onto their pups. You need to know a LOT more about these dogs and their family tree before assuming that they will produce good competitive pups.

We pm each other and she's isn't planning to breed for a long while after she gets a team. Charging extra for different sexes is unusal for breeders. At least where I live. I've heard some charge more for one sex cause people want the opposite

 

[dainerra]

hmm where i live the only people who charge extra for females are those who tell buyers "you can breed your own puppies and make $$" So, no, it isn't uncommon for you to see different prices but it is almost unheard of in responsible circles.
The only exceptions might be if you have a bloodline that rarely throws female pups. Then, it would be normal simply because the breeder would be keeping most female pups for their own future prospects. Or similar things.

I know dog breeders from all over the country and world and this is pretty much the rule in show and competition circles, no matter what breed.

 

[Americano Blue]

MERINGUE IS MINE!!!!!!

 

[Starfire669]

I plan on breeding my Siberians. I have 4 Sibes, 1 is already spayed as she was found wondering the streets, 1 was rescued from a back yard breeder, she has AKC papers, but is no where near show quality, and will be s spayed soon. My male is of campion show lines, my female is 1/2 inch to tall to be show quality, but she is also from show lines. Mine will be hip and eye certified before they have their first littler. I have been researching breeding, raising, and showing Siberians. Conformation is key in show dogs, which look nothing like working lines of Siberians. Please research all the standards and requirements that working Siberians need, and get them hip and eye certified Before breeding. If your Sibe has hip displesia or eye problems you do not want to breed more who will carry that trait and pass it on to other dogs. The parents of my planned breeding pair were tested and certified clean, but I still plan on having both my male and female tested.
Breeding dogs requires a lot of money, paying for the tests, the vet care during pregnancy and delivery, the puppies vet care after birth, training, etc. you will not make money breeding dogs, every penny you do make will go back into your dogs. I am not going to breed my dogs for money, my female will have 2 litters, no more, and I will keep some of her daughters to breed to different males in an attempt to improve her line. (the pups that I dont keep will be sold without breeding rights and buyers will not get the AKC registration papers till I have proof of spay/neuter, it's in the buyers contract) She has great qualities that I feel should be past on to future generations, as long as I can bring her size back down to confirmation standards. My male was selected because he is an prime example of a show Siberian, and so he should help my girl's pups be show quality or close to. I am in close contact with the breeder of my male, she is mentoring me and helped me select the right male for my girl. It is not something to be done lightly.

I adore Siberians, they have great personality, they never threaten people, are very playful, beautiful, and love snuggles, among other things. However, Siberians require special considerations as well. They absolutely need to run, even show quality Sibes have that need. They are very smart and the best doggy escape artists, 1 of mine knows how to turn door knobs, lol. Fences need to be tall and Un-climb able. Agile Sibes easily get over anything less than 6 feet tall. And once out, Sibes can run 40 miles in a day and have NO homing instinct, which is why so many are lost. All my dogs are microchipped, and I am looking into GPS collars for them, though mine have made no attempt to escape. Siberians improperly kept/confined often turn destructive, and this in turn leads to many being dumped at shelters. (part of my sells contract will stipulate the dog be returned to me, not sent to a shelter.) By breeding working dog lines, your animals will have even more pent up energies than my show line dogs. If they are not trained and run daily, they will take their frustrations out on anything they can. So make sure you are willing to commit to their needs 100% before acquiring and breeding these particular dogs, this includes building shelter and runs for them as well as training. Having 4 siberians, a Rottie, and a Belgian Malinois mix really keeps me busy. Grooming, exercising them, nail trimming, paw shaving (have to or they get sticker burs caught in their feet which causes injures, so we shave their pads), obedience training, socialization training, going to classes to learn confirmation showing, and much more care. It is a heavy commitment, I'd recommend spreading time with a good breeder of working line dogs, shadow him/her for a few days, see how much time and work go into caring for such high energy, high drive dogs. Then decide for your self if you can make that commitment.

 

[Starfire669]

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ok, I will ask questions. What tests do they have? What registry are they registered with? You say in another post that pups are tested before they go home, except for a few DNA tests, there is nothing that you can test puppies for. OFA is a min of 4-6 months and even then results aren't official. CERF (eyes) doesn't have a minimum age but needs to be re-certified every year. There is much more to being a good breeder than just "don't pump out puppies" Also, charging a different price - $400 with papers, $200 with out - is against the rules of every legitimate registry. If a buyer (or window shopper) was to complain to the AKC, the breeder could be fined, possibly banned for life from registering another litter. The simple fact that their "expensive" dogs are $400 tells me that it's highly unlikely that they are doing all of the testing. Just to cover the prenatal care and then the vet care on the litter and food, first shots and worming, isn't going to be covered at that price. A well-bred, health tested, proven lab is going to run easily twice that, often more. Sibes are in the $1000 range. A proven sled dog can easily go for a couple thousand. http://www.sleddogcentral.com/classifieds/dogsforsale_3.asp#Wallin If you want to insure that you have good homes to choose from, you need to start with the best. Any knowledgeable buyer is going to want to see the history of your dogs. If they see that your foundation stock came from someone selling $400/$200 without paper dogs, they are going to turn around and walk away. If you want to sell field labs, they are going to want to see generations of health tested and field tested dogs. They want to see, at the bare minimum, dogs that are out in the marsh retrieving ducks every season. Even better, dogs that work in the field and who are titled in hunt tests. If you are looking to breed showline labs, they are going to want to see generations of champions. Not one or two champion dogs 4 or 5 generations back. They are going to want to see generations of health tests. When it comes to breeding, the idea is "better to shoot for the stars and miss than to aim for the gutter and hit it." You say that you are wanting to do this the right way. And that you want to produce and sell healthy quality dogs. Yet you are pointing out as your mentors people who are, at best, doing the bare minimum. From your descriptions, it sounds like they own a boy dog and a girl dog and they make puppies. The vet probably says that they are healthy but that isn't the same as having tested proven healthy dogs. I'll use my breed as an example. I have German Shepherds. My boy is from long lines of health tested proven working dogs. He is titled in obedience and rally. He has been examined by several impartial judges in the breed. My stud fee is $700. Pups sell for $1200. We don't even have a mating yet but there are several people waiting to see what ***** is chosen so that they have the opportunity to get on the waiting list and pay a deposit. I am a member of a state "gsd lovers group" There are pups advertised every day - $500. A few days or weeks later, they are marked down to $300. Then to $200. It's not uncommon for the unsold pups to get dumped at the pound or just along a dirt road somewhere because it's too expensive to keep feeding them or because the breeder has another litter on the way.

Everything you said is spot on. I paid $1000 for my female Sibe, Dawn. Her sire and dam were OFA and CERF tested, the sire had been shown and won a few points but was not championed, her dam was never shown. I paid $1500 for my male, his sire and grand side were both championed, his dam never shown but threw show quality pups. When Dawn grew too tall, her show potential was canceled, dogs that are above or below the hieght requirements are automatically disqualified. But, that does not mean she can not throw show quality pups herself. I called many breeders, and many turned me away, but 3 worked with me until we found a pup from quality lines that ran a bit on the small side, but still in standard and we purchased our male Phantom to breed to Dawn. It took a very long time to find the right male for our needs. I still keep in contact with all these breeders, but mostly with Phantoms breeder so I can learn how she pairs her dogs for breeding. She currently is showing one of her females, only needs 1 more major and 2 minors to be championed. It takes years to understand how dogs genetics are past on, and to even get set up for breeding. Dawn is now a year and a half, Phantom is 6 months. They will not be bred till Phantom is 2 years old. This is because they can not be OFA certified until after 1 year of age and to make sure that Phantom does not surprise us as Dawn did and develop some quality that would make him an unfit match for Dawn. If he does, we lost $1500 dollar investment for breeding show quality pups. Now, that is not to say we don't love Phantom dearly, we do. Phantom is a great dog with a funny sense of humor and he always has talks back and has to have the last word, lol. But we would not have paid what we did for him without need. And our need was a male that can bring Danw's pups back into show line requirements, and that ment a high quality dog with specific blood lines that the breeder had to know forward and backward.