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Well the show the sibs the the AKC knows. So.. Does any one have training tips on training sled dogs? Perfebly distance.
Sled dog breeding
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$200.00? That is cheap. If they are really a high quality breeding the pups would be going for at least $800.00 out by me. And a good breeder doesn't sell dogs without papers or health testings and a health guarantee on the pups.
That's how breeders become reputable. They sell healthy pups that potentially won't have issues in the long run.
And with them charging $800.00 they still aren't usually making a profit with the amount that is put into the dogs and the parents.
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They are really great ups and most people get them with paper they just give the buyers a option. My brother chose no. They just started out only 2years and 9 months ago so give them a break. They are building them selfs a rep so they will increase the price. But they are getting a new stud dog from Alaska cuz there old one got ran over.
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Why y'all dissin y'all don't breed. Do ya?!?
no one is "dissin" so sorry if we come across that way. we are try to make sure you are getting a good pup that will be able to pull. Most show huskies (you did say they have a show history right?) have lost the instinct to pull so you have to train them to dig back in their roots and find the love of pulling again. I spend a lot of time with a distance dog breeder so i have a good idea about what i'm talking about. Just because the pups can show well and make great pets doesn't mean they can pull like their ancestors Getting dog with papers can predict success or failure. Not saying your friend is a bad person to buy from or a bad breeder, but they shouldn't charge extra for papers. its not really giving the buyer options buy charging extra for papers. What if its some one like me who wants papers but doesn't have the extra $200? If the buyer should be able to get paper with out paying extra, the buyer will still have the option to get the paper just by say yes or no. As a friend i just want you to have the information to show your parents and so you can get the best dogs you can
when asking for info on topics like this you have to come in with a completely open mind
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Dogs beaten into submission:
“They’ve had the hell beaten out of them.””You don’t just whisper into their ears, ‘OK, stand there until I tell you to run like the devil.’ They understand one thing: a beating. These dogs are beaten into submission the same way elephants are trained for a circus. The mushers will deny it. And you know what? They are all lying.”
to any non-musher reading this thread who have been to http://helpsleddogs.org/the-harsh-reality/cruel-dog-training-for-iditarod/
please please understand not every musher is like this. yes there are some cruel mushers who don't deserve the dog but a large percentage of mushers..well mostly all musher lover their dogs and don't abuse, mistreat, beat, or starve their dogs. i, long with many others hate to see when mushers abuse the dog and we take action to stop it but I'm not going to stop mushing because of how an idiot (who does not know how to train animals) treats his dogs
“They’ve had the hell beaten out of them.””You don’t just whisper into their ears, ‘OK, stand there until I tell you to run like the devil.’ They understand one thing: a beating. These dogs are beaten into submission the same way elephants are trained for a circus. The mushers will deny it. And you know what? They are all lying.”
to any non-musher reading this thread who have been to http://helpsleddogs.org/the-harsh-reality/cruel-dog-training-for-iditarod/
please please understand not every musher is like this. yes there are some cruel mushers who don't deserve the dog but a large percentage of mushers..well mostly all musher lover their dogs and don't abuse, mistreat, beat, or starve their dogs. i, long with many others hate to see when mushers abuse the dog and we take action to stop it but I'm not going to stop mushing because of how an idiot (who does not know how to train animals) treats his dogs
Also a lot of the articals on this website date back to the gold rush when uneperienced men were buying dog with out know how to care, treat, and train them just so they could get some of the action of the gold rush
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actually, yes I DO breed. German Shepherd Dogs. Dog breeding is something that is a lifetime love for those who want to do it well. You don't just start off with selling $200 pups without papers and build a reputation from there. The only "reputation" you are building is that of a backyard breeder. You might not start selling pups at the same price as someone who has proven over 30 years that they produce quality dogs but you don't charge just a couple $$ more than the local rescue either. You start off by purchasing the best quality dog that you can affod. So, usually a slightly older pup that has been health-tested and passed her OFAs at least. And has a good level of basic obedience and (in the case of working dogs) has proven thats he has the instinct drive and ability to do the job that she was born to do. Then you spend about a zillion dollars (I don't add up my dog expenses. It would make my husband cry!) training, working, titling that dog to get her (and your!) name out in the community that you hope to sell dogs to. In your case, that would be by entering every event related to dog sleds. You would likely also enter UKC weight pull events and other related activities. Maybe even carting as a side fun hobby if that floats your boat. Then you start looking at stud dogs. You go through every generation of the pedigree and you learn every detail about the dogs in it. You find out what kind of workers they were. You find out about missing teeth. You find out if any pups were born with cryptorchidism. You find out what the hip/elbow scores were. Eye tests. You dig out all of the dirt that you can find behind that dog and you compare it to the faults in your dog's pedigree. You look for a dog that doesn't share any weaknesses with your dog and is the best match for her strengths. A dog might be a great distance runner but if almost every other dog in his pedigree is a sprinter, he is most likely not going to father the next distance champion. Once you have been involved in the dog world and people (at least locals) know you and your dog then you can start planning to breed. You line up potential buyers (at least close to twice the amount of pups you expect to have). You might even end up giving away a few dogs to those you know in your competitive field - you want to get your dogs and your name out there "HEY! I bred these dogs and look what they have accomplished!!" That way, your next litter will have even more interested in it. You keep on working your dogs, even dogs that you don't intend to breed. You do obedience. You go to events as a spectator and you learn how to evaluate dogs. You learn how to guess, at a glance, if a dog is going to have what it takes. You get with a breeder who has been producing quality dogs for years and ask them to help you learn how to evaluate a litter of pups for what you want to do. You learn how to match each puppy to the best home. You learn how to know, at 8 weeks old, who is likely to be the next champion and which pup will be happiest in a pet home, camping with the family and being loved on by a pack of kids. You are dealing with living creatures. Animals who, if you cut a corner or think that a test doesn't matter, will be the ones to pay the price for your mistakes. No, you aren't going to be perfect. Shoot, even if you do every thing right, nature has a way of making it go wrong from time to time. But to not do everything possible to insure that those pups are not only born healthy but live their entire lives to the fullest extent is cruel. It leads to suffering on the part of the dog. There is nothing so heartbreaking as watching a dog who has the drive and fire to work being confined in a body that isn't up to the task. A dog who keeps pulling despite the pain, hiding it until he is out of the harness (or out of the field). Who you see struggling to push his body to do things that he can't do even though he is still a young dog. The heartbreak the owners feel when they have to make the decision to end that suffering because, even though his body is weak, he keeps pushing and makes his health problems worse. Or the dog that in the middle of a happy game of fetch at the park suddenly falls over of a heart problem. The owner who wakes up in the dead of night to a puppy having a seizure.
actually, yes I DO breed. German Shepherd Dogs. Dog breeding is something that is a lifetime love for those who want to do it well. You don't just start off with selling $200 pups without papers and build a reputation from there. The only "reputation" you are building is that of a backyard breeder. You might not start selling pups at the same price as someone who has proven over 30 years that they produce quality dogs but you don't charge just a couple $$ more than the local rescue either. You start off by purchasing the best quality dog that you can affod. So, usually a slightly older pup that has been health-tested and passed her OFAs at least. And has a good level of basic obedience and (in the case of working dogs) has proven thats he has the instinct drive and ability to do the job that she was born to do. Then you spend about a zillion dollars (I don't add up my dog expenses. It would make my husband cry!) training, working, titling that dog to get her (and your!) name out in the community that you hope to sell dogs to. In your case, that would be by entering every event related to dog sleds. You would likely also enter UKC weight pull events and other related activities. Maybe even carting as a side fun hobby if that floats your boat. Then you start looking at stud dogs. You go through every generation of the pedigree and you learn every detail about the dogs in it. You find out what kind of workers they were. You find out about missing teeth. You find out if any pups were born with cryptorchidism. You find out what the hip/elbow scores were. Eye tests. You dig out all of the dirt that you can find behind that dog and you compare it to the faults in your dog's pedigree. You look for a dog that doesn't share any weaknesses with your dog and is the best match for her strengths. A dog might be a great distance runner but if almost every other dog in his pedigree is a sprinter, he is most likely not going to father the next distance champion. Once you have been involved in the dog world and people (at least locals) know you and your dog then you can start planning to breed. You line up potential buyers (at least close to twice the amount of pups you expect to have). You might even end up giving away a few dogs to those you know in your competitive field - you want to get your dogs and your name out there "HEY! I bred these dogs and look what they have accomplished!!" That way, your next litter will have even more interested in it. You keep on working your dogs, even dogs that you don't intend to breed. You do obedience. You go to events as a spectator and you learn how to evaluate dogs. You learn how to guess, at a glance, if a dog is going to have what it takes. You get with a breeder who has been producing quality dogs for years and ask them to help you learn how to evaluate a litter of pups for what you want to do. You learn how to match each puppy to the best home. You learn how to know, at 8 weeks old, who is likely to be the next champion and which pup will be happiest in a pet home, camping with the family and being loved on by a pack of kids. You are dealing with living creatures. Animals who, if you cut a corner or think that a test doesn't matter, will be the ones to pay the price for your mistakes. No, you aren't going to be perfect. Shoot, even if you do every thing right, nature has a way of making it go wrong from time to time. But to not do everything possible to insure that those pups are not only born healthy but live their entire lives to the fullest extent is cruel. It leads to suffering on the part of the dog. There is nothing so heartbreaking as watching a dog who has the drive and fire to work being confined in a body that isn't up to the task. A dog who keeps pulling despite the pain, hiding it until he is out of the harness (or out of the field). Who you see struggling to push his body to do things that he can't do even though he is still a young dog. The heartbreak the owners feel when they have to make the decision to end that suffering because, even though his body is weak, he keeps pushing and makes his health problems worse. Or the dog that in the middle of a happy game of fetch at the park suddenly falls over of a heart problem. The owner who wakes up in the dead of night to a puppy having a seizure.
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"papers" are simply a pedigree. Documents that prove that Dog A has these ancestors while Dog B has these. They are essential tools, however, for those looking to breed or even those looking for a dog to work. Only by knowing what is behind a dog can you predict what this pup will grow into. Only by knowing the ancestors behind 2 dogs can you produce the litter of dogs that you want.
$200 is what a purebred rescue costs (more or less). In that case, you are getting a dog that has been vetted, spayed/neutered, microchipped, possibly had some basic obedience or at least housebroken depending on the foster system, and the money goes to a great charity working to keep dogs from being euthanized.
Or you take that same $200 that goes into the pocket of someone who is producing dogs with no papers, nothing beyond basic puppy shots, no guarantee that they will be healthy, no work done to prove the dogs in any way.
So, you are buying the exact same dog for the same price. In one, the money is a donation to defray the costs of a charity. In the other, the money goes into someone's pocket. Around here, the $200 generally means that the breeder wants to buy a new TV or game system or they want to go someplace "nice" for vacation so they bred a litter to earn some quick cash.
I know many breeder who, in order to break even on what they have invested over the years in dogs, would have to charge $5000 a pup. Of course they don't do that. They are more interested in getting the right puppy into the right home. However, they also want to weed out buyers who think that "a dog is a dog" or who aren't willing to invest the money into getting the best dog possible.
Honestly, half the people out there put more thought into buying a toaster than into buying a dog. They go to buy a new gadget and they check reviews. They check warranties. They go from store to store and see who has the best warranty and customer service.
Buying a puppy? They wake up and say "I've always thought that labs were nice dogs" They flip open the classifieds and find the first ad for puppies, go out and say "OH HOW CUTE!!!" because all puppies are cute. They pick one up and take it home.
Which brings me to another thing I forgot in the last post. It's essential as a breeder that you know every aspect of dogs because the breeder should be a puppy buyer's best resource. Have a training question? Frustrated with housebreaking? Having a problem getting your pup accustomed to working in harness? Your breeder should be your first "go to" guy for answers. He should be your biggest cheerleader for your triumphs and your shoulder to cry on in your failures. He should be the person who laughs with you through the terrible 2's of puppydom and cry just as hard as you when your dog reaches the end of his time with you.
My breeder has been all of those things for me, even before I bought a dog from him. Now that we co-own my current boy, we talk even more.
$200 is what a purebred rescue costs (more or less). In that case, you are getting a dog that has been vetted, spayed/neutered, microchipped, possibly had some basic obedience or at least housebroken depending on the foster system, and the money goes to a great charity working to keep dogs from being euthanized.
Or you take that same $200 that goes into the pocket of someone who is producing dogs with no papers, nothing beyond basic puppy shots, no guarantee that they will be healthy, no work done to prove the dogs in any way.
So, you are buying the exact same dog for the same price. In one, the money is a donation to defray the costs of a charity. In the other, the money goes into someone's pocket. Around here, the $200 generally means that the breeder wants to buy a new TV or game system or they want to go someplace "nice" for vacation so they bred a litter to earn some quick cash.
I know many breeder who, in order to break even on what they have invested over the years in dogs, would have to charge $5000 a pup. Of course they don't do that. They are more interested in getting the right puppy into the right home. However, they also want to weed out buyers who think that "a dog is a dog" or who aren't willing to invest the money into getting the best dog possible.
Honestly, half the people out there put more thought into buying a toaster than into buying a dog. They go to buy a new gadget and they check reviews. They check warranties. They go from store to store and see who has the best warranty and customer service.
Buying a puppy? They wake up and say "I've always thought that labs were nice dogs" They flip open the classifieds and find the first ad for puppies, go out and say "OH HOW CUTE!!!" because all puppies are cute. They pick one up and take it home.
Which brings me to another thing I forgot in the last post. It's essential as a breeder that you know every aspect of dogs because the breeder should be a puppy buyer's best resource. Have a training question? Frustrated with housebreaking? Having a problem getting your pup accustomed to working in harness? Your breeder should be your first "go to" guy for answers. He should be your biggest cheerleader for your triumphs and your shoulder to cry on in your failures. He should be the person who laughs with you through the terrible 2's of puppydom and cry just as hard as you when your dog reaches the end of his time with you.
My breeder has been all of those things for me, even before I bought a dog from him. Now that we co-own my current boy, we talk even more.
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