So how do you get a Birchen? Do they crop up in blue/black/splash breeding programs?

Now I think you are confused. Recessive genes are recessive and incapable of repressing a truly dominant trait. If a recessive trait presents it is because there are 2 recessive genes in the genetic makeup of that individual (1 from each parent) and any related dominant gene is not there (it is not being repressed, it is missing!). If the individual had 1 dominant gene and 1 recessive, the dominant trait would appear (because it is dominant). There are also genes with incomplete dominance. An example of this is green and brown eye color. If a person gets a gene for green eye color from 1 parent and a gene for brown eye color from the other, that individual will have eyes that are mixed green and brown. Blue eye color, on the other hand is recessive to brown, and a person with 1 gene for blue and 1 for brown will always have brown eyes because it is dominant. However, if 2 parents both have a blue recessive gene they can have a child with blue eyes even if their eyes are brown. That blue eyed child cannot pass on a brown eyed gene because he/she doesn't have it. This is how things work in simple dominant/recessive traits. However most color traits can have gene modifiers (another separate gene that can effect the presentation of color, like a dilution factor), incomplete dominance (where both traits are expressed more or less equally as in the brown and green eyed trait). Color is very complex, especially in birds, if you have been breeding your birds for a long time, I am sure you do know what to expect. But, mutations can happen at any time, so sometimes even you might be surprised. And, if you bring some new birds into the mix that might have something unexpected hiding in their genetic makeup in the form of a recessive, you might be surprised again. Wish you well!
 
So, when recessive white is expressed, the alleles on the E locus are absent? Each individual has many dominant genes, and many recessive genes at the same time. In your scenario, yhere would be no White Plymouth Rocks. Color is very simple, especially on birds. Even a 2 year old can figure it out. Wait until you learn about quantitave traits. Barring a random mutation, very little should surprise anyone with knowledge and experience, unless birds are poorly bred, or mixed without knowledge of the person working with them.
 
Well, I think I have the information I need now, thanks to Wiki... Here's a link in case anyone else is wondering...
http://the-coop.org/poultrygenetics/index.php?title=Birchen
Apparently the Birchen pattern is a very dominant pattern and is only recessive to extended black, which can mask it. So theoretically at least, it could crop up in a blue/black/splash breeding program, because a black hen is carrying it, but unlikely as some have pointed out, as blue/black/splash breeders would be trying to eliminate it. Although I doubt that hatcheries care. Think I will try to find a bigger Birchen bantam roo that someone wants to part with. I just think they are really pretty... and the fact that the color is fairly dominant means the color should be easy to maintain (oh dear, hope I didn't say something controversial).
 
Well, I think I have the information I need now, thanks to Wiki... Here's a link in case anyone else is wondering...
http://the-coop.org/poultrygenetics/index.php?title=Birchen
Apparently the Birchen pattern is a very dominant pattern and is only recessive to extended black, which can mask it. So theoretically at least, it could crop up in a blue/black/splash breeding program, because a black hen is carrying it, but unlikely as some have pointed out, as blue/black/splash breeders would be trying to eliminate it. Although I doubt that hatcheries care. Think I will try to find a bigger Birchen bantam roo that someone wants to part with. I just think they are really pretty... and the fact that the color is fairly dominant means the color should be easy to maintain (oh dear, hope I didn't say something controversial).

Birchen should not be in a blue/black/splash breeding program unless you mean silver blue and sports of that. Birchen in a solid blue bird would be a mess. Hatcheries seem to care more than many breeders. The color is easy to maintain once fixed, but so would any recessive color. It has nothing to do with being dominant.
 
Birchen should not be in a blue/black/splash breeding program unless you mean silver blue and sports of that. Birchen in a solid blue bird would be a mess. Hatcheries seem to care more than many breeders. The color is easy to maintain once fixed, but so would any recessive color. It has nothing to do with being dominant.
Never said it should be in a blue/black/splash breeding program (said it probably would not be). Hatcheries care more than many breeders??? (if you say so, you know more breeders than I do). Did not say recessive colors would not be easy to maintain (once "fixed"), just that a dominant one might be potentially easier. Anyway, I think we are done here. It is not my intent to start a fire. Now, I think I will go find a 2 year old to discuss quantitative traits with....
 
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He’a Still young so his coloring is still coming in.
 
Where are you located? I’m in CT and have a 10w old bantam birchen Cochin cockerel that I’m looking to rehome. We got him at 2days old from Cackle Hatchery - he hatched on 3/26...
He is so cute! But I'm in California 3000 miles away (approximately). It would be a long flight for the little guy and I'm afraid he might get lost, otherwise I might give it a try. I know Porter's ships half grown turkeys, but don't know exactly how he does it. But he is really adorable.
 
Birchen is a down pattern. Down patterns are kinda what colors/patterns are built on.
Its not something you can add a few genes together and make.
Its like a base pattern so to get it you have to have it. If you're hoping it will pop up in your BBS my opinion is it will be unlikely. Especially if you're wanting it. Or maybe that's just how my luck goes.
That said I do have some LF BBS cochin that do have it. BBS should be on extended black down pattern. Extended black is dominate to birchen so it can hide it. Apparently a couple of mine carried a birchen gene because it did pop up. I breed away from it with some success. You could go the opposite way and breed for it if it does pop up.
If you have or get any BBS with leakage in hackles or hackles and back on cockerels breed those together and breed towards the ones with the most leakage. It may get you where you want to be.
I've also had a variety of other BBS lines that I've never had it show up in.

Birchen is NOT a down pattern. It is a description of the adult plumage color/pattern. Down color is NOT what colors/patterns are built on. It sounds like you had cochins with leakage, not the birchen allele. Ask questions, don't make statements.
 

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