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[DylansMom]

A direct quote " Generally speaking the birds are 80% to 90% white with the other percentage being color." Would you take this to mean a 50 % white bird could still be a Silver Pied, if the silvering is present and all eyes are white? Or would you take it to mean the 50% white would be considered a Pied WE ?

 

[KsKingBee]

My interpretation is that as of now he is a Pied White Eye. He may also loose a lot of those dark feathers and replace them with white in the next molting, yes? We see it in reverse in the Black Shoulder and I have been watching both Nanu and Prince sprouting new white feathers all the time.

 

[Dany12]

My interpretation is that as of now he is a Pied White Eye. He may also loose a lot of those dark feathers and replace them with white in the next molting, yes? We see it in reverse in the Black Shoulder and I have been watching both Nanu and Prince sprouting new white feathers all the time.

Reverse or progressive white ?
What is a reverse Black Shoulder ?
In Blue peacock silver pied or pied ... Blue and white colors are changing of place at each moult?
I would like to see a picture of Blue peacock pied white eyes who is not a silver pied! .... there is no picture like that !
In Australia they have Blue peacock pied ( they use to call them reverse pied ) who have some white eyes not coming from white eyes gene but from pied gene .

.... but that's a pied peacock !

Now, this peacock is what ? how many % of white !

 

[KsKingBee]

Danny, what I am referring to in my limited experience is that my young pieds molt out dark feathers and replace them with light or white feathers and I expect that they will do this for at least a few years. I have read that Peas feathering will change every year as they age. My point to Dylansmom is that what she is seeing will probably change and is not the final product. I am sure I am not telling her anything she doesn't already know, (or I am incorrect?).

The same is true although in reverse for the Black Shoulder meaning that they replace white or light feathers with dark feathers as they mature. Mine started out with yellow fuzz, replaced that with mostly cream and white feathers and eventually changed into speckled feathers then changing into their normal mature feathering.

You are saying that Pied WE MUST also be Silver?

Could anyone comment on this, I am a bit confused.

 

[KsKingBee]

I had already posted the answer from Brad Legg page... "What seems to be the link that helped create Silver Pied were the White-Eyed peafowl, which traces back to the White peafowl. Without the White-Eyed peafowl there would not be any Silver Pied peafowl today."

That statement seems to imply that you can have WE without having Silver but no Silver is possible without WE.

 

[Garden Peas]

I had already posted the answer from Brad Legg page... "What seems to be the link that helped create Silver Pied were the White-Eyed peafowl, which traces back to the White peafowl. Without the White-Eyed peafowl there would not be any Silver Pied peafowl today."

That statement seems to imply that you can have WE without having Silver but no Silver is possible without WE.

I believe what you said here, @KsKingBee is totally true... because silver pied (as I understand it) results (or resulted) from a combination of genes occurring together, including WE.

I disagree with the proposition that ALL IB pied WE birds are necessarily silver pied, as I am not sure that would include all the necessary genes for silver pied.

 

[KsKingBee]

I believe what you said here, @KsKingBee is totally true... because silver pied (as I understand it) results (or resulted) from a combination of genes occurring together, including WE.

I disagree with the proposition that ALL IB pied WE birds are necessarily silver pied, as I am not sure that would include all the necessary genes for silver pied.

I believe that Brad told me that it is the combination of White, Pied, and White Eye that produced the Silver if I remember right.

 

[DylansMom]

All other debate aside, what I was trying to get opinions on was one of my birds. It is the oddball with the BS feathers on it's wing. He is no more than 50% white and it has been my personal experience with Pieds that they get more color not more white as they age. He is still young so I know he will change, but I've raised enough to know that he just looks different. I think he is covered with silvered feathers, I think his train, wings and back will all have that silver dusted plumage. But do I represent him as a "Silver Pied" when everyone I've ever spoken to has stated the opinion that a "Silver Pied" cannot have more than 80-90% colored feathers? This is my quandary, I do not want to have a bunch of people saying I am calling him something he is not. Anybody get my drift? I took some more pics of him, but they all came out looking blue-ish, because I had something set wrong. Darn Camera!

Better:

 

[Garden Peas]

Maybe you could call him "Ralph"?

 

[Garden Peas]

Okay, I started a new thread with my thoughts on Ralph.

And btw, I failed to clear that possible name with PeaLover130, so I may be in trouble at home...

Hey, maybe you could call him "Moondust"??? Or maybe "Moonbeam"???? Then you could call him "The Guv" for short