So whatever happend to the national healthcare law they were trying to pass??

[Capvin]

Redhen you have every reason to be frustrated and right now there is probably very little light at the end of the tunnel. Every president since Harry Truman realized that we need health care reform and many of them tried. Obama was partially successful in getting some good things done and overall even conservatives do not want to see the whole bill go away. They object to the individual mandate and want that gone but without something else to replace it, the whole bill will fail. Look around and you will easily see that with the way the country is divided over even the smallest things I do not see any hope for any resolution. Good ideas are summarily rejected just because the other side proposed them. I was hopeful that when Obama Care passed that when people began to realize how many benefits were in the bill that it would be accepted and that eventually the politicians would be able to come together and replace the individual mandate with something else that would work better and be more acceptable. The administration did a poor job of explaning what the bill was and many people just listened to the rhetoric that was being spouted and just rejected it without even knowing what it was and without even coming close to proposing any alternative.

 

[gickelvolk]

OK....... [deep breath here.... mount soapbox......

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Please bear with me..... Hear me out......

We have, as a treasured gift from our Creator, these things called Inalienable Rights. Another way to describe them, so as not to misunderstand just what the term Inalienable Rights really means. It entails bringing to bear the perspective of government, the perspective of the individual, the word can and the word can't.

Our Original Framers endeavored, and so too did those who mustered to Reconstruct this once great nation, to distinguish this situation in our greatest of all compromises called The Constitution. They brought these actual words to bear - Privileges and Immunities.

You see, with rights, enumerated and otherwise, there is a two way street. Some are things you can do, others are things government cannot do to you. Generally, it is a situation of government not being able to do something to us, like punish us, because we exercise a right. It is our own individual privilege to be able to decide to exercise a right, or not.

Rights and Privileges are relatively the same thing, folks. Privilege, however, has somehow come to mean that our government is self-empowered to force us to seek out and qualify for an allowance to exercise, generally referred to as a permission slip, permit, or a license. Even more heinous is the reality that government has stepped this up by now forcing us to pay it for those licenses and permission slips to exercise many Rights.

Ask yourself this: Are you ready to beg [read "PAY"] a bureaucrat for a permission slip so that you can go to a church, synagogue, or mosque? Worse yet, so that you may be exempted from doing so if you choose?

Yeah, a "Concealed Carry Permit" doesn't sound like a bad idea, heck, some even support such things. That is, until we apply the same standard to our First Amendment Rights as are being applied to our Second Amendment Rights. (As you probably know, Illinois and New York are apparently exempted from exercising the Second Amendment entirely, somehow, as the stand alone state where carrying, bearing, arms is treated as a felony offense.)

Now, to the point at hand......
Obamacare amounts to government forcing us to attain (purchase) a permission slip to attain health-care. Yes, forcing health-care insurance (a license/contract) upon us. Government forcing us to make a purchase is outside its Constitutional authority!! As is disallowing us the ability to exercise a purchase with our own money.

Obamacare destroys what is left of private two party contract law! Obamacare destroys what is barely remaining of that thing called Liberty.

Make no mistake - Should the individual mandate be allowed to stand by the Supreme Court, every protection the Founding Fathers bled and died for, every Right, every Privilege and every Immunity, that every soldier has ever placed themselves in peril to defend on our behalf, will be nothing more than a memory!

It will all be gone and the Republic will be officially deceased with many of us to follow.

We, The People, deserve better!

Are you willing to become enslaved to some commission who decides if you are valuable enough to spend tax dollars on?

Alternatively, are we Freemen who decide things on our own with our own means?

More over, are you ready to look your children and grand-children in the eye and say you needed "Free" health-care, more than guarding their Freedom and Liberty from our own government????

 

[bakerjw]

I like how the cost for Obamacare somehow just managed to jump $111 billion in just one year. That said, anyone who believes that the federal government will be able to manage health care in an efficient and cost effective manner is living in a fantasy world.

 

[Capvin]

Gilklevolk................I take great comfort in the fact that whatever you vote for in this great and free country, my vote will be the exact opposite.

 

[SierraView]

Our heath care is very good but it was better. So far the Obamacare allowed my older children back on to our insurance till they are 26 yrs old. Good I guess if they don't have their own insurance.

At the same time this went into effect my $10 co-pay went up to $20. Lab work, xrays ect. had no co-pay and now its $20. Meds were $10 for 100 pills that's like a 3 month supply now they are $10 for 30 pills. Hospital was covered at 100% now we pay 10% for a hospital stay. Not so bad I guess, but sure was a lot better before.

I take 2 kinds of meds and my husband takes 2 kinds thats 4 perscriptions that I use to pay around $13 month for all of them and now its $40. I had to take my youngest daughter to the ER last month and we use to have a $40 co-pay its now a 10% of what they do co-pay so cost me $180

I don't know if this is because of the Obamacare or not but it all went into effect at the same time that did.

 

[Oregon Blues]

The big issue, and one that Congress has to date refused to deal with, is the high cost of medical treatment and prescriptions.

Medical insurance is expensive and often times refuses to pay for treatment, has high co-pays, etc, so you often get very little return for an awful lot of money that you give them.

But still, the biggest issue is that people don't have insurance because they can't afford insurance. Making it the law that they must pay for insurance isn't really solving any problems at all, because they still don't have the high amount of money that it would take.

The way to get medical treatment for more of the population is to get some of the expense down. Yes, some of it could be controlled, but Congress won't even consider taking any steps to do so.

No, you can't control costs by setting caps on the amount charged. That does not work.

You control costs by controlling the unreasonable lawsuits that force doctors to carry outrageous malpractice insurance. Many doctors are paying over $100,000 a year for their malpractice insurance. That means, they must charge the patients over $100,000 before they can even think about paying for their employees, lights, rent, supplies, etc.

You can also affect prices by working with supply and demand. Right now, it can take months to get a routine appointment. In my area, at least, no doctor will take a new medicare patient; they are all full up. So increase the "supply" of doctors. With more doctors, there will be some competition on prices charged.

Medical treatment is really expensive. It is probably beyond the ability of the country to pay for unlimited medical care for everyone. The math just won't work. The cost is more than the country can generate.

One commonly used cancer treatment drug is over $100,000 a year. That has to come from somewhere. How many taxpayers with an average income of $50,000 a year have to work and pay taxes for the year, just to pay for one person to get treated? How many taxpayers need to work all year to pay for one million dollar heart transplant? yet, there is not just one cancer patient or heart patient. Many medical procedures cost more than the average person has earned in his entire life. There are too many people to provide them all with extremely expensive treatment.

Unlimited health care for every living person is a very nice concept, but it is simply impossible to implement.

 

[newfoundland]

Chickened you are unbelievable! You refuse to entertain the idea that a national health service paid for out of taxes could possibly work in your country and that it would be unconstitutional . Then you admit that if you faced expensive/long term treatment you would go to either Canada or UK where as you claim there is socialised health care! Also do you not realise that these countries charge foreign nationals for their treatment?

 

[Medo]

Why do MRI's in France only cost about 150 Euro's?
In America that same test is a cool $3000.

The system is fundamentally flawed, but this law will not address, much less fix those flaws.


It WILL however vastly expand how deep into your rear end the Govt can peer, and expand its control over a populace deemed to stupid to think for its self.


We the Sheeple, are just begging to be fleeced, once again.

 

[LoweBow]

Gickelvolk,
That was a summation of exactly what is going on. Thank you!

Being a union member I've seen shock and dispair from many of my "brothers" over why the cost of our insurance which has increased over the last year.
In bad times (like now) we have many out of work and after a few months we must "self pay" at a dscounted rate to keep our insurance active.
With our monthly cost to union contractors increasing so has the self pay aspect by about $175 per month. To an unemployed person that is a huge hit.
At a meeting w/ our insurance supplier it was explained that to meet the new standards of Obama Care these increases must be passed along to the customer.
Major Medical increase from $100k to $250K....etc.
Everyone in the crowd could not believe this as this is not the way it was sold by the media. Not sold by this Administration.

People need to get it thru their heads that we as a nation are BROKE.
Besides it infringing on one of the few freedoms we have left....There is no $$$ to pay for this healthcare....we can not keep printing $$$ just because we spend more than is taken in......
Greece is a price example of an entitlement nation. They fail.

 

[Medo]

I disagree that the USA is broke, we are, in fact, awash in cash.

The only problem, is it is concentrated into the hands of about 1000 citizens.

the other 309 million of us, well, yes, we are broke.