some people shouldnt be dog owners

[Kaelinstorm]

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Only if its a no-kill shelter... dogs usually only have 72 hours to get adopted at normal shelters before they are euthanized. Just saying...

 

[Beekissed]

Either way he is out of misery and suffering....death isn't the worst thing there is in life.

 

[Kaelinstorm]

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Were you not the one who said companionship is neither a waste of time or money...? Seems that putting the dog down when all thats wrong is bad owners and a case of ticks is a bit drastic and taking the easy way out... No death isnt the worst thing in life but death isnt life is it?

 

[ChickInDelight]

If Petie is re-homed, I would expect his owner to get another dog. Not everyone cares for their animals to the same standards.

 

[Beekissed]

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Were you not the one who said companionship is neither a waste of time or money...? Seems that putting the dog down when all thats wrong is bad owners and a case of ticks is a bit drastic and taking the easy way out... No death isnt the worst thing in life but death isnt life is it?

Death is indeed a part of life. It is the end of it. If the life is filled with hunger, pain, suffering then it all comes down to quality of that life. Ending a life of such poor quality for an animal~ who cannot make plans, dream of the future, or even understand why he suffers~isn't as bad as allowing it to continue. If no one is willing to step up and give proper compassion to this dog, then it is best if he is no longer suffering.

The pounds and shelters are filled with dogs that no one wants....why add another to it when it can all be over for this one in a blink of an eye?

And, no, I didn't say that companionship is neither a waste of time or money...I said compassion is. And compassion comes in all forms, my friend. You say place this dog in a shelter filled with other dogs in the hopes he will get adopted among all the other hopefuls and I say, what kind of life is living in a cage day in and day out? Better the absence of life than a life filled with misery, caged and alone in that metal prison.

 

[Kaelinstorm]

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Were you not the one who said companionship is neither a waste of time or money...? Seems that putting the dog down when all thats wrong is bad owners and a case of ticks is a bit drastic and taking the easy way out... No death isnt the worst thing in life but death isnt life is it?

Death is indeed a part of life. It is the end of it. If the life is filled with hunger, pain, suffering then it all comes down to quality of that life. Ending a life of such poor quality for an animal~ who cannot make plans, dream of the future, or even understand why he suffers~isn't as bad as allowing it to continue. If no one is willing to step up and give proper compassion to this dog, then it is best if he is no longer suffering.

The pounds and shelters are filled with dogs that no one wants....why add another to it when it can all be over for this one in a blink of an eye?

And, no, I didn't say that companionship is neither a waste of time or money...I said compassion is. And compassion comes in all forms, my friend. You say place this dog in a shelter filled with other dogs in the hopes he will get adopted among all the other hopefuls and I say, what kind of life is living in a cage day in and day out? Better the absence of life than a life filled with misery, caged and alone in that metal prison.

Meh I meant compassion... pregnancy brain made me type otherwise...
I agree but I didnt really say I was a fan of either... I just said if you put it in a shelter preferably a no-kill. I would personally re-home it way before I even thought of a shelter at all. And yes death is the end of life but it isnt life... its a transition from it. So question: If you believe this is ok to just give up on the animal and not give it the possibility of a better life, do you believe we should also put down our senior citizens/abused children/etc...? I know this will start a human/animal debate but to me life is life... I just dont think giving up on poor Petie is the answer.

 

[redhen]

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Xa zillion. I'd rather be dead than hungry and have fleas and ticks all over me and no shelter in 107degree weather, looking for food...... or live in a wire kennel in a shelter for the rest of my miserable, lonely life.
Yup.. i'd rather be put to sleep ..

 

[Beekissed]

If you believe this is ok to just give up on the animal and not give it the possibility of a better life, do you believe we should also put down our senior citizens/abused children/etc...? I know this will start a human/animal debate but to me life is life... I just dont think giving up on poor Petie is the answer.

To you, life is life. Do you feed your grandmother in a bowl on the floor? Do you take her outside to use the bathroom? No? Whyever not? Life is life and your dog's life is so much similar to a human's that it only stands to reason that you treat all life the same, I imagine. I expect she also sleeps in your bed every night like the rest of the life in your home?

No...life is not life. Humans can reason, make choices, and anticipate pain and the future. They are functioning at a higher level of living, no matter what your personal beliefs are. A dog cannot reason as to why he is miserable and you cannot explain to him that maybe tomorrow he will get adopted and it may just be the family that will keep him for life~or not.

All that dog knows is sensory level life....hunger, pain, loneliness, cold, heat, etc. He knows changes in environment, both good and bad. He cannot, however, do much about it to insure he is kept comfortable. We humans can....we can apoint guardians, get our humans into a medical facility, give them a quality life even if their families cannot. Abused children can be placed where they no longer receive abuse and, when they grow up, reason how to avoid abusive situations in the future....dogs cannot. Dogs just wander around until they find a food source and/or good company~usually they are not mutually exclusive unless they are raiding your coop.

If you've never seen human suffering up close and real personal, then you might not understand the difference between humans and dogs. You think that all suffering by any living creature is the same, but it is not. Dogs can't ask you why nor plead for death when they are hurting beyond imagining.

I've been a nurse for 18 years and the past three have been in the field of hospice. Do I think that people should be put down when they are old? Of course not. Do I think they should be allowed to die when they are past curing? Yes, if they wish it. There are worse things than dying and I've seen them.

Unfortunately, dogs cannot make such an informed decision.​

 

[Kaelinstorm]

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To you, life is life. Do you feed your grandmother in a bowl on the floor? Do you take her outside to use the bathroom? No? Whyever not? Life is life and your dog's life is so much similar to a human's that it only stands to reason that you treat all life the same, I imagine. I expect she also sleeps in your bed every night like the rest of the life in your home?

No...life is not life. Humans can reason, make choices, and anticipate pain and the future. They are functioning at a higher level of living, no matter what your personal beliefs are. A dog cannot reason as to why he is miserable and you cannot explain to him that maybe tomorrow he will get adopted and it may just be the family that will keep him for life~or not.

All that dog knows is sensory level life....hunger, pain, loneliness, cold, heat, etc. He knows changes in environment, both good and bad. He cannot, however, do much about it to insure he is kept comfortable. We humans can....we can apoint guardians, get our humans into a medical facility, give them a quality life even if their families cannot. Abused children can be placed where they no longer receive abuse and, when they grow up, reason how to avoid abusive situations in the future....dogs cannot. Dogs just wander around until they find a food source and/or good company~usually they are not mutually exclusive unless they are raiding your coop.

If you've never seen human suffering up close and real personal, then you might not understand the difference between humans and dogs. You think that all suffering by any living creature is the same, but it is not. Dogs can't ask you why nor plead for death when they are hurting beyond imagining.

I've been a nurse for 18 years and the past three have been in the field of hospice. Do I think that people should be put down when they are old? Of course not. Do I think they should be allowed to die when they are past curing? Yes, if they wish it. There are worse things than dying and I've seen them.

Unfortunately, dogs cannot make such an informed decision.

You are assuming I have never seen or met a person suffering or dying... That offends me. I wont go into it because no Im not a nurse but I have known and loved many people who have left this world and watched them as they withered away. Note I didnt say someone terminal in that list above did I? (And dont misconstrue that I believe we should put down terminal patients either... I dont even want to talk about that subject)
And no I wouldnt feed gramma from a dog bowl on the floor but just because their life is different does not mean they need to be treated any less as if they dont matter. And yes if Petie had cancer and had NO HOPE then sure I would agree... but just because his previous owners were bad and he has ticks doesnt mean his life is already past helping!

 

[ailurophile23]

I just said if you put it in a shelter preferably a no-kill. I would personally re-home it way before I even thought of a shelter at all.

Sadly, not all areas have no-kill shelters (or even any shelters at all) or good options for re-homing. Even if there is a no-kill shelter, it will likely have a long waiting list. And animal control facilites are often swamped and have high (100%) kill rates. In some cases, euthanasia would be preferable to going to the dog pound where disease can run rampant and the stress is intolerable and adoption is unlikely or impossible. I am sure we would all prefer to send homeless animals to no-kill shelters or adopt them, but .....


silkielover5 - keep doing what you can for Petie and keep looking for someone who might be able to adopt him - if you can find a new home, offer to buy him from the current owner and then send him to his new home. Good luck!​