Sorry...DLM question!

The other question I can't seem to find an answer to is a lot of the people who use this method seem to have poop boards. Isn't that the point of using DL, to not have to clean as much? Does it slow composition down if you don't have as many droppings? What is the purpose?
Correct, poop boards and true DLM do not go together.
DLM is greatly misunderstood, and those misunderstandings are spread like wildfire over and over and over. The links, if you can ever get them to work, are great examples of deep bedding(dry one ingredient),
and deep litter(moist and balanced ingredients that will truly compost into good soil).
 
Code tags should stop the linking.

Code:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/can-i-do-deep-litter-method-with-this-coop.1075545/#post-16440037

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/muddy-run-help-please.1037998/#post-16017992

JT
 
Code tags should stop the linking.

Code:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/can-i-do-deep-litter-method-with-this-coop.1075545/#post-16440037

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/muddy-run-help-please.1037998/#post-16017992

JT
Not sure what this means....but....you might want to post that in the link below where they are discussing it in a thread I started on the link issue:
 
Correct, poop boards and true DLM do not go together.
DLM is greatly misunderstood, and those misunderstandings are spread like wildfire over and over and over. The links, if you can ever get them to work, are great examples of deep bedding(dry one ingredient),
and deep litter(moist and balanced ingredients that will truly compost into good soil).
Okay, thanks. The poop board + DLM was throwing me for a loop. Can you accomplish deep litter in one part of the coop, under roosts, without having the bedding deep throughout? The man door opens inward and the pop door is at ground level, so I don't think I can do the entire coop with out making some changes there.
I did get to your links and I appreciate that it might have been a pain. Thank you for your help.
 
Hello! I've been reading and rereading about the DLM and how to start, but I'm not sure if I'm set up quite right. Is it possible to do it just under the roost or does the whole coop need to be six inches deep? My chickens spend most of their time outside, weather permitting, so the majority of the poop is under the roosts. I know everyone else is probably that way, but I usually clean under the roost a couple of times before I clean the whole coop. Can I try and keep a thick layer there but ease it out in the rest of the coop?

The other question I can't seem to find an answer to is a lot of the people who use this method seem to have poop boards. Isn't that the point of using DL, to not have to clean as much? Does it slow composition down if you don't have as many droppings? What is the purpose?

I know there is something that I'm not getting...Any help in this area would be much appreciated. Even links to get me to the answers. You guys are so awesome and helpful!

P.S. Thanks @aart !

Good questions, Meg. First, one back at ya: Is your coop BIG enough for DL? IMO, a coop must be a walk in style, and must have a proper bird/s.f. ratio, and must have adequate ventilation in order for it to be successful. It won't work in a small or short coop, one with ventilation = less than 10% of floor space, or one where the ratio is less than 4 s.f./bird.

You are right in that a poop board is counter productive to the purpose of a good DL.

Then, a bit of understanding about how composting works: It must have adequate volume, a good carbon to nitrogen ratio, a good blend of various materials of varying size, and enough moisture.

I think it would be very possible to have a nice DL under the perches, while the remainder of the coop space could be more conventional bedding, and not as deep. I've often considered the idea of revamping my DL by putting a retaining board across the length of the coop in front of the roosts. The only thing that has stopped me from doing so is that it would be more difficult to manage when I do push out the DL, or want to do some flipping of materials. (I flip very rarely... perhaps even almost NEVER!) So, my DL is quite deep under the perches. When I add an other bag of leaves, I usually put them under the perches.

I have found that shavings do not work well for DL. When ever I've had them in my DL mix the likelihood of ammonia issues is greater. Since removing shavings from my mix, I have not ever had ammonia issues. My DL is quite moist now, even more moisture in the coop than I like to see. We are past the worst of the winter cold, and I am hopeful that I will not see any more sub zero or single digits for the rest of the winter.
 
Hello! I've been reading and rereading about the DLM and how to start, but I'm not sure if I'm set up quite right. Is it possible to do it just under the roost or does the whole coop need to be six inches deep? My chickens spend most of their time outside, weather permitting, so the majority of the poop is under the roosts. I know everyone else is probably that way, but I usually clean under the roost a couple of times before I clean the whole coop. Can I try and keep a thick layer there but ease it out in the rest of the coop?

The other question I can't seem to find an answer to is a lot of the people who use this method seem to have poop boards. Isn't that the point of using DL, to not have to clean as much? Does it slow composition down if you don't have as many droppings? What is the purpose?

I know there is something that I'm not getting...Any help in this area would be much appreciated. Even links to get me to the answers. You guys are so awesome and helpful!

P.S. Thanks @aart !
So basically my understanding of how the old timers did it was they started with a later in the spring and let it build till next spring. So how I have done it for like ten years now. I start with about three inches of straw, I use straw because it breaks down quicker than wood shavings. So I just add as needed throughout the year. And in the spring I dig it all out and dump into my gardens. Just what I do and seems to work well for me.
 
Good questions, Meg. First, one back at ya: Is your coop BIG enough for DL? IMO, a coop must be a walk in style, and must have a proper bird/s.f. ratio, and must have adequate ventilation in order for it to be successful. It won't work in a small or short coop, one with ventilation = less than 10% of floor space, or one where the ratio is less than 4 s.f./bird.

You are right in that a poop board is counter productive to the purpose of a good DL.

Then, a bit of understanding about how composting works: It must have adequate volume, a good carbon to nitrogen ratio, a good blend of various materials of varying size, and enough moisture.

I think it would be very possible to have a nice DL under the perches, while the remainder of the coop space could be more conventional bedding, and not as deep. I've often considered the idea of revamping my DL by putting a retaining board across the length of the coop in front of the roosts. The only thing that has stopped me from doing so is that it would be more difficult to manage when I do push out the DL, or want to do some flipping of materials. (I flip very rarely... perhaps even almost NEVER!) So, my DL is quite deep under the perches. When I add an other bag of leaves, I usually put them under the perches.

I have found that shavings do not work well for DL. When ever I've had them in my DL mix the likelihood of ammonia issues is greater. Since removing shavings from my mix, I have not ever had ammonia issues. My DL is quite moist now, even more moisture in the coop than I like to see. We are past the worst of the winter cold, and I am hopeful that I will not see any more sub zero or single digits for the rest of the winter.

Hello!
My big coop is about 300 s.f. Although, I've been wondering more and more, so I'll have to grab a tape this evening and measure it. There are 55 birds, far too many nests, and I'm lowering and replacing the roosts this spring. While there is adequate roosting space, and no cases of bumblefoot, they are made out of 1x4's and starting to get a little wobbly. I'd also like to hinge them, so I can pop them up when I clean. Ventilation is inadequate, but is also on the list for spring. The humidity runs at 65% according to my hygrometer. I tested it against one I have in the house and they were pretty close. Is that too high? What's a good number to shoot for? I haven't had many ammonia issues, but it also gets cleaned a fair amount and the chickens spend most of the day outside.
I used pine shavings, exclusively, until recently. I heard that straw kept it warmer by trapping heat in the stocks, so I thought I'd give that a try. Any truth to that? I changed the little coop to straw and the big coop is a mix of the two. Do you use leaves only? A combination of things? I'll admit, my grasp on composting isn't that great. I haven't tried it because I'm afraid to screw it up (don't try because you'll fail...bit of a character flaw).
So, you're DL is deeper under your roosts? I wonder if you can accomplish it without putting up a retainer...or if the chickens will spread it about anyway. I guess I could put a barrier by the pop door so they didn't block themselves in/out!:)
I'm wondering if I should wait to try it until spring and the ventilation is ramped up. I also read it was a bad idea to start DL in winter. Too cold to start decomposition? It was -12F the other morning and 25F in the coop. Thankfully the temperature inside is mild (I think) compared to outside!
I know I've forgotten some things! I'll try and write them down. Sorry for the wordy post, but thank you so much for your response!
 
So basically my understanding of how the old timers did it was they started with a later in the spring and let it build till next spring. So how I have done it for like ten years now. I start with about three inches of straw, I use straw because it breaks down quicker than wood shavings. So I just add as needed throughout the year. And in the spring I dig it all out and dump into my gardens. Just what I do and seems to work well for me.
Do you have poop boards or just let it fall to the straw? Do you turn it or let the chickens do that? What is your floor made of? How often do you add straw? So many questions :)Thank you for the reply!
 

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