SOS VENT PROLAPSE

[lmw411]

Chickens are like farmers (used to be, many still are) and get up and go to sleep with the sun. Daylight saving is something they'd find as ridiculous as many of us humans if they understood why we do it. (all frivolous economic reasons foisted on the many for the benefit of the few)

There is a chance, and I have a young hen with this particular problem, she could be over-ovulating producing two yolks consecutively within a short period of time. (not the same as double yolks) Calcium seems to solve this problem over a period of a week to three or four weeks. It seems to regulate the ovulation and get it back to the 25 hour ovulating schedule of most layers.

The extra calcium can also insure a soft egg doesn't get stuck, which actually could be why she's still straining. Any hen with any sort of laying issue can benefit from short term calcium supplement. The alternative, not treating it, can result in some extreme reproductive issues. It's better to stay ahead of those if you can. Short term calcium is not going to hurt her.

Haha! I was thinking more of having more daylight but that was a silly thought I hadn't realized until now. I've been trying to help her and have a bunch of others stuff to do around the house before tomorrow. My brain isn't functioning as it should

 

[lmw411]

Buying Preparation H now for her to try that. Will give Tums soon and some Vet Rx. What am I supposed to do to help her poop? And what is the clear fluid coming out? Just typical body fluids?

 

[lmw411]

Hens don't care what the clock or government say.


Hang in there.

Many of us do face our share of issues... including scalping by raccoons, mauling by our OWN dogs, loosing whole flocks to neighbors dog, and many other tragic or disgusting events. And unfortunately it seems as though when it rains it pours.

Last year 1 of my hens lost 3 chicks in a row... to the hawk that is constantly watching . But she seemed to just move on. It was heartbreaking when I confiscated the last ones and hearing them look for each other.

Sometimes even though we do everything right... this stuff happens. But it should not be this hard always.

Yes, keeping it smaller I think may cause "more" emotion. I am able to deal with (or accept) ALL aspects of the circle of life much easier since I have taken a life myself for food. It doesn't make it hurt less though, I just have more tools in box. And I am most thankful that I will have the skill needed when a hen I really care about faces accident or illness that seriously effects their quality of life. Having a first cull is always hard... that much harder on the heart when it's a friend (the hen) who needs our help.

For you... and her age... I would try the sling. She no doubt feels as though something isn't right while you're holding it in.. maybe she thinks she has to poo. As far as I can tell... and I'm sorry... I think it's the sling or her life. Maybe once you get it on and get her settled into darkness she will calm down and relax. And hopefully being a colored layer she can have a day in the middle since she just laid.

Is the vet an option for you? Either to help the issue or maybe euthanasia if you feel that is the needed route?

Sorry I can't be more help. Chicken chick as linked by the other poster has been so helpful.

You responding is help enough, so thank you!
I hope you laughed at me for the daylight savings time comment, that was funny to read over and made me question how much sleep I've gotten recently

Her being uncomfortable makes sense and just pushing it out because it feels abnormal. I was worried she had something else going on she was trying to push out. She hasn't pooped either, but I can see remnants of it on the vent so I guess a little bit comes out. Can they even tell if they are prolapsed until its gotten infected or something? I must have stressed her out terribly because she is puffed up and basically shut down. She hates being handled, so this is extra miserable I'm sure.

 

[cottagecheese]

I am a veteran of four prolapse battles to save my hen (I won). I read many, many threads on many forums and websites and comments on youtube, and from my informal statistical analysis
Prep H treatment has a 70% DEATH outcome.

I never used it, and it does make sense, because a prolapse is a different type of inflamed tissue than a hemorrhoid.

Unrefined, virgin, cold-pressed coconut oil has a much better track record, probably only 10% fatalities, if the hen has no underlying problems.

 

[lmw411]

I am a veteran of four prolapse battles to save my hen (I won). I read many, many threads on many forums and websites and comments on youtube, and from my informal statistical analysis
Prep H treatment has a 70% DEATH outcome.

I never used it, and it does make sense, because a prolapse is a different type of inflamed tissue than a hemorrhoid.

Unrefined, virgin, cold-pressed coconut oil has a much better track record, probably only 10% fatalities, if the hen has no underlying problems.

What do you think causes death with Prep H? Just curious. I do have coconut oil on hand.

 

[cottagecheese]

Just as I said, a different type of inflamed tissue. But asking what exactly is causing the deaths... All medical science is just trial and error, clinical trials, see what works and what doesn't... with a whole lot of iatrogenic
disease sprinkled in.

 

[Eggcessive]

Cottagecheese, do you have any print evidence of the Preparation H and deaths? We certainly see a lot of prolapses here, and although some are recommending hydrocortisone cream moreso nowadays, honey and prep H have been used for years with success. Honey and sugar syrup reduce the osmotic pressure to help reduce swelling. Eventually, the tissue should reduce on it’s own, but any oil or moist substance should be fine to keep the tissue from drying. On large animals they even use ice water to reduce the swelling.

 

[azygous]

@cottagecheese thanks for mentioning this. Our close ally The Chicken Chick gives very trusted and veterinarian backed advice, and she has mentioned that Prep H has been used in the past successfully, but vets no longer recommend it, to use cortisone cream if you can.

The bottom line is that if all you have is Prep H it's better than nothing. The important thing is to keep the tissue clean and moist so it doesn't dry out. That would make it much harder for her to heal, inviting infection. It's crucial you keep trying to push the prolapse back inside. Usually, just as a chicken nurse is ready to give up, the prolapse stays. Hang in there.

 

[cottagecheese]

It certainly helps to read people's messages before confronting them, Eggcessive. Because I did say informal.

azygous, I learned a lot from you, speed reading threads. The Chicken Chick is great, except when she goes medieval on bumble foot, or Great Depression gasoline treatment on scaly leg mites.

 

[Eggcessive]

It certainly helps to read people's messages before confronting them, Eggcessive. Because I did say informal.

I didn’t understand that you were referring to your own statistics in treating your hens. It did sound like you had read this somewhere, and I just wanted to read the article. So if I offended you, but it wasn’t meant to. I am always eager to learn new ways.

The bad part of using Preparation H, is that the cream sometimes contains pramoxine or pramacaine, which while helpful in shrinking tissue, is one of the -caine drugs that chicken owners tend to avoid because of toxicity. The Chicken Chick recommends hydrocortisone cream now, but I still feel that honey or a simple oil can be helpful to keep the tissue moist and prevent tissue death. Coconut oil certainly is used for so many things with chickens, so thatbis a good one as well.