South Carolina

[abbevilleoz]

I had put my Bronze turkeys up for sale and someone asked me if I was NPIP. Uh... no. Only my show birds are tested NPIP. I have seen some shockingly unclean farms that are NPIP. NPIP does not mean clean, it means they are testing negative for something that has not be found in birds in over 50 years. And turkeys are usually a false positive and have to be tested over and over. Healthy clean birds prove more than a number from the state.

To ship and sale, especially across state lines you pretty much have to have the certification. States require Ai certification, too. @scflock and @samouw can fill you in on accurate details. I'm going to do it while I'm still small scale.

 

[scflock]

To ship and sale, especially across state lines you pretty much have to have the certification. States require Ai certification, too. @scflock and @samouw can fill you in on accurate details. I'm going to do it while I'm still small scale.

That's exactly why I'm doing it. My little hobby is turning into a side business, and I need to ship

 

[samouw]

I had put my Bronze turkeys up for sale and someone asked me if I was NPIP. Uh... no. Only my show birds are tested NPIP. I have seen some shockingly unclean farms that are NPIP. NPIP does not mean clean, it means they are testing negative for something that has not be found in birds in over 50 years. And turkeys are usually a false positive and have to be tested over and over.



Healthy clean birds prove more than a number from the state.

I wholeheartedly agree with your last statement, but I'd have to respectfully disagree with the rest of it. According to Dr. Julie Helm, the last six cases of Pullorum in the US were found in 2003 - all in backyard poultry and all contracted through auction/sales/show sites. Georgia has reported cases as recently as 2002-03 and NC in 2000. As Dr. Helms says - if our neighbors have had, you can almost guarantee that it was somewhere in SC, too. The last known case of fowl typhoid was in 1987 - 29 years ago.

Makes you wonder if the decreasing incidents, and clear for over a decade now, is because of the widespread acceptance of testing by commercial, and backyard, flock owners.

I kinda look at it like rabies in dogs. There was a time when many many dogs, particularly in the south, did not survive into adulthood. But, because of widespread vaccinations, you never hear of a dog dying of rabies anymore.

While I don't doubt that there are farms that are NPIP certified flock and are not spic and span, I do know that they do impose certain fowl management, and "housekeeping" requirements.
For instance, did you know that your hatching and brooding areas must be in separate rooms, separated by a door? I didn't, until I started cleaning for my inspection. Because of the excessive dust raised by growing chicks (all those new feathers put out a ton of dust!), it is unsanitary to have them in the same room where you are incubating eggs.

I know what's it like to get behind in the work - heck, if someone came to my house right now, they'd probably declare me incompetent and put me in a home for the mentally disabled, but the goal of the NPIP and flock certification program is a worthy one.

Particularly in today's environment, even if I were not NPIP/AI clean myself, I wouldn't buy birds from someone who wasn't, unless it was someone I trusted very much.

 

[scflock]

I had put my Bronze turkeys up for sale and someone asked me if I was NPIP. Uh... no. Only my show birds are tested NPIP. I have seen some shockingly unclean farms that are NPIP. NPIP does not mean clean, it means they are testing negative for something that has not be found in birds in over 50 years. And turkeys are usually a false positive and have to be tested over and over.








Healthy clean birds prove more than a number from the state.

Those are beautiful birds. I just got to where I could see them on the PC.
I've sold locally for the last few years. My business is growing, and I'm getting requests to send birds out of state. I would never do it just to sell birds in SC. I'm not real keen on being on any government list, and I totally agree with you about NPIP not being a reflection of the quality of birds. A quick CL search will show that. I'm just doing it because I want to be able to legally ship birds or eggs across state lines

 

[scflock]

I wholeheartedly agree with your last statement, but I'd have to respectfully disagree with the rest of it. According to Dr. Julie Helm, the last six cases of Pullorum in the US were found in 2003 - all in backyard poultry and all contracted through auction/sales/show sites. Georgia has reported cases as recently as 2002-03 and NC in 2000. As Dr. Helms says - if our neighbors have had, you can almost guarantee that it was somewhere in SC, too. The last known case of fowl typhoid was in 1987 - 29 years ago.

Makes you wonder if the decreasing incidents, and clear for over a decade now, is because of the widespread acceptance of testing by commercial, and backyard, flock owners.

I kinda look at it like rabies in dogs. There was a time when many many dogs, particularly in the south, did not survive into adulthood. But, because of widespread vaccinations, you never hear of a dog dying of rabies anymore.

While I don't doubt that there are farms that are NPIP certified flock and are not spic and span, I do know that they do impose certain fowl management, and "housekeeping" requirements.
For instance, did you know that your hatching and brooding areas must be in separate rooms, separated by a door? I didn't, until I started cleaning for my inspection. Because of the excessive dust raised by growing chicks (all those new feathers put out a ton of dust!), it is unsanitary to have them in the same room where you are incubating eggs.

I know what's it like to get behind in the work - heck, if someone came to my house right now, they'd probably declare me incompetent and put me in a home for the mentally disabled, but the goal of the NPIP and flock certification program is a worthy one.

Particularly in today's environment, even if I were not NPIP/AI clean myself, I wouldn't buy birds from someone who wasn't, unless it was someone I trusted very much.

But it sounds so much better the way you say it

 

[abbevilleoz]

But it sounds so much better the way you say it

How long of a waiting list is it get tested?

 

[scflock]

How long of a waiting list is it get tested?

she said it depends on the time of year, could be between one and three months. she said March and September are almost impossible.

 

[samouw]

How long of a waiting list is it get tested?

Dr Julie Helms would know that. I think when I was scheduling mine, there was only a two week delay...and one of those weeks was because of me. lol

 

[scflock]

Dr Julie Helms would know that.  I think when I was scheduling mine, there was only a two week delay...and one of those weeks was because of me. lol

She told me they are getting into the busy time of year, but it could be because of my county. She wasn't pushing me to do it at all. As a matter of fact she was finding out if it was really something I needed to do. When I told her I wanted to ship chicks, she knew I needed it. She sent me a long email after our phone conversation telling me what to expect. She said read it, digest it, and when I felt I was ready call her back and she would start the process.
She also mentioned the incubators and brooders

 

[samouw]

BJ

But it sounds so much better the way you say it

Why thank you, kind sir.

I need a "deep bow" emoticon. Lol