People don't care about manners like they used to....they have rights ya know!
Everyone wants to be a rebel these days.
'Splain something to me in re to baseball-type caps
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Yep! I always taught my boys proper meal and hat etiquette~the full range of manners, in fact~ and would never even allow them to wear hats unless for working outside until they were in their late teens....who needs a hat in a school? Or when it isn't cold? Or when the sun is not glaring in your eyes? That's why God gave ya hair!
That being said, I could care less what the folks around me are doing in a nice restuarant~or any place~ unless it is actively interferring with the enjoyment of my meal!
I think its more of a commentary on social etiquette and an obseravable symptom of society that the op "noticed". I imagine he enjoyed his evening very much. Its like seeing someone coughing and sneezing..you don't "judge" them or let them ruin your day but you do make a conclusion about thier state of health. I think the op was making an observation about the health of society based on this observation of a symptom. Society should take 2 asprin and call me in the morning. Actually, it needs a lot more than that.. but thats a different tread for a differnt time.
Yep! I always taught my boys proper meal and hat etiquette~the full range of manners, in fact~ and would never even allow them to wear hats unless for working outside until they were in their late teens....who needs a hat in a school? Or when it isn't cold? Or when the sun is not glaring in your eyes? That's why God gave ya hair!
That being said, I could care less what the folks around me are doing in a nice restuarant~or any place~ unless it is actively interferring with the enjoyment of my meal!
I think its more of a commentary on social etiquette and an obseravable symptom of society that the op "noticed". I imagine he enjoyed his evening very much. Its like seeing someone coughing and sneezing..you don't "judge" them or let them ruin your day but you do make a conclusion about thier state of health. I think the op was making an observation about the health of society based on this observation of a symptom. Society should take 2 asprin and call me in the morning. Actually, it needs a lot more than that.. but thats a different tread for a differnt time.
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Since I am EVER the questioner, here...and like to occasionally play Devil's Advocate...
I can understand expecting a man to remove a top hat. After all, it could block people's vision. I can understand removing a cowboy hat. It definitely blocks people's view...of whatever there is to see. If it's a trail worn hat, then it might be dusty & dirty. That's not very pleasant to have at the table. Hats used to be worn to help protect a person from the weather, dirt, dust, etc. I can see removing hats that would be dirty, dusty, or block vision.
However, a CLEAN baseball cap is not something I'm going to concern myself over. I view a dirty baseball cap in a matter akin to dirty clothing. If it's a fast food place, and these guys have been out working & are just grabbing a quick lunch, then I'm not going to worry about it. However, it's not appropriate for a restaurant where clean clothes are required. A clean baseball cap, though, in any place where jeans & a t-shirt are okay? Why not? It's not blocking your view of anything, so long as it isn't pulled way down over the eyes.
Women's hats - many of these have been worn as a fashion statement for a long time. They could also conceal dirty, grimy hair in a period when hair got washed once a week -- or once a month. I suspect that as much as anything, this is why it was acceptable for women to wear them inside. A scarf or hat covered up stringy, greasy hair. Obviously, a scarf or warm hat could also serve to protect from weather, dust, etc. and sometimes has religious reasons.
I see little difference today in continuing out of date traditions. Unless it's a religious observance, what difference is there between genders when it comes to wearing a hat inside/outside? So long as it isn't blocking vision or creating a hygiene issue, I don't care either way.
Then again, I see no sense in arguing over who holds the door, either. I hold the door for people - men or women -- and expect others to do the same as a courtesy for me, at least if my hands are full. Letting the door shut in someone's face is rude regardless of your gender. (It's not like we are trying to hold and manipulate big hoop skirts through a narrow doorway anymore...)
Cultural traditions change. This is just another area that is shifting...and probably one that doesn't matter all that much in the course of world history.
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I can understand expecting a man to remove a top hat. After all, it could block people's vision. I can understand removing a cowboy hat. It definitely blocks people's view...of whatever there is to see. If it's a trail worn hat, then it might be dusty & dirty. That's not very pleasant to have at the table. Hats used to be worn to help protect a person from the weather, dirt, dust, etc. I can see removing hats that would be dirty, dusty, or block vision.
However, a CLEAN baseball cap is not something I'm going to concern myself over. I view a dirty baseball cap in a matter akin to dirty clothing. If it's a fast food place, and these guys have been out working & are just grabbing a quick lunch, then I'm not going to worry about it. However, it's not appropriate for a restaurant where clean clothes are required. A clean baseball cap, though, in any place where jeans & a t-shirt are okay? Why not? It's not blocking your view of anything, so long as it isn't pulled way down over the eyes.
Women's hats - many of these have been worn as a fashion statement for a long time. They could also conceal dirty, grimy hair in a period when hair got washed once a week -- or once a month. I suspect that as much as anything, this is why it was acceptable for women to wear them inside. A scarf or hat covered up stringy, greasy hair. Obviously, a scarf or warm hat could also serve to protect from weather, dust, etc. and sometimes has religious reasons.
I see little difference today in continuing out of date traditions. Unless it's a religious observance, what difference is there between genders when it comes to wearing a hat inside/outside? So long as it isn't blocking vision or creating a hygiene issue, I don't care either way.
Then again, I see no sense in arguing over who holds the door, either. I hold the door for people - men or women -- and expect others to do the same as a courtesy for me, at least if my hands are full. Letting the door shut in someone's face is rude regardless of your gender. (It's not like we are trying to hold and manipulate big hoop skirts through a narrow doorway anymore...)
Cultural traditions change. This is just another area that is shifting...and probably one that doesn't matter all that much in the course of world history.
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In my church, if you leave your cellphone on, if it rings, you get a "Come to Jesus" meeting with the ushers.
I actually like the hats indoors. Now if they would only pull them down over their faces, so I don't have to see who's wearing pajamas in public.
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I wish there were a lot more of that, for just one example, in the kid's concert mentioned above. And I wish it were illegal everywhere to talk/text on a cell phone and drive. (It's getting there, at least, for texting.) One of the few bumper stickers I've wished I had over my numerous years is one that says, hang up and drive.
It's been a long time that the door hasn't been held for me (or I held it for the one behind me) if anyone was anywhere near. Now that I'm old and wrinkled, it's not unusual for people to hurry a bit to open it for me. Makes me think of the day I came out of a store with a bulky but light box and a fellow turned and hurried toward me and took it from my hands ever so politely, saying I shouldn't be carrying something like that, and put it in my trunk for me. (Totally unthreatening setting, really.)
I don't really like the demise of things like indoor hat removal, either, but I resigned myself to it years ago. I don't like some of the language traditions that are lost, either. But times change.
I wish there were a lot more of that, for just one example, in the kid's concert mentioned above. And I wish it were illegal everywhere to talk/text on a cell phone and drive. (It's getting there, at least, for texting.) One of the few bumper stickers I've wished I had over my numerous years is one that says, hang up and drive.
It's been a long time that the door hasn't been held for me (or I held it for the one behind me) if anyone was anywhere near. Now that I'm old and wrinkled, it's not unusual for people to hurry a bit to open it for me. Makes me think of the day I came out of a store with a bulky but light box and a fellow turned and hurried toward me and took it from my hands ever so politely, saying I shouldn't be carrying something like that, and put it in my trunk for me. (Totally unthreatening setting, really.)
I don't really like the demise of things like indoor hat removal, either, but I resigned myself to it years ago. I don't like some of the language traditions that are lost, either. But times change.
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I really don't think it ruined his evening...just an observation.! I know when we go out to a resturant...people watching is entertaining to say the least.
My opinion is ..we are quickly becoming a nation without manners. People do not seem to care any more and manners is not a high priority, at home or in public.
Exactly, it didn't both us, it was just an observation in the "what's this world coming to" variety. Also I've noted, like above, that people no longer know how to observe things like a national anthem or a school's alma mater (even if it isn't your nation or school) by neither removing hat nor standing. I mainly see it as lack of respect. I'm a writer and often make observations that, at some point, appear in one of my novels.
BTW, the other 3 in the party were, I assume, a wife of one of the guys and their preteen son and daughter. I guess this was a lesson in manners for the kids.
I really don't think it ruined his evening...just an observation.! I know when we go out to a resturant...people watching is entertaining to say the least.
My opinion is ..we are quickly becoming a nation without manners. People do not seem to care any more and manners is not a high priority, at home or in public.
Exactly, it didn't both us, it was just an observation in the "what's this world coming to" variety. Also I've noted, like above, that people no longer know how to observe things like a national anthem or a school's alma mater (even if it isn't your nation or school) by neither removing hat nor standing. I mainly see it as lack of respect. I'm a writer and often make observations that, at some point, appear in one of my novels.
BTW, the other 3 in the party were, I assume, a wife of one of the guys and their preteen son and daughter. I guess this was a lesson in manners for the kids.
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And, that would be the last time I stepped foot in that church...
And, that would be the last time I stepped foot in that church...
I could understand in McD's... if the 'employee' folks remember most is a clown (or giant rodent) then I can understand sitting in the playground and wearing a hat.
But anything short of that level of goofy... that's just bad manners.
Okay, one other exception... if you have REALLY bad dandruff, and a dark shirt... that would just gross people out and ruin their meal... then it would be MORE considerate to cover than not.
But anything short of that level of goofy... that's just bad manners.
Okay, one other exception... if you have REALLY bad dandruff, and a dark shirt... that would just gross people out and ruin their meal... then it would be MORE considerate to cover than not.
In my opinion , this world .... yes world .... has degraded far from what it was even 50 years ago . The " standards " or "rules " that were put into place might be miniscule to most , but it did put into place a line that was drawn on certain behaviors . I am only in my thirties , but I look at others my age or below , and recognize the blatant disregard for ANY rules or such . I think it's quite sad that our youth are being taught that it's okay to disrespect 99% of what was taught by our family . I am by no means a goodie goodie , but the future is our kids . If we can't teach them properly , then the world...in it's sad state....will teach them . Why not hold onto some of the old ways ? At least modt of that generation laid down the rules , unlike my generation who " just wants to be friends " with their kids...makes me sick .
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