'Splain something to me in re to baseball-type caps

[maizey]

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I'm not going to be baited into turning this into a religious debate. This will only cause the thread to be closed before the hour (or afternoon) is over. There are other more appropriate venues online for a religious debate.

Substitute the word "trust" or "confidence" or "obedience" for "faith" in my post if you like. It relays my meaning just as well.

Not baiting.. DEbaiting..and there are plenty of religous threads on here... I had no idea they were not allowed...interesting. I will try to be good then.

(thats the closest icon i saw to a handshake... the thumbs up of peace)

 

[Rozzie]

Religious discussions aren't banned, but are strongly discouraged.

It's because they usually go bad pretty fast and have to be closed. Even the most seemingly innocuous religious thread like "share your favorite verse" will turn into a war -- or at least a minor skirmish.

 

[maizey]

im not getting any warm fuzzies

 

[Royd]

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Ah, but I am not advocating doing "whatever you want." I'm advocating thinking about WHY we are doing what we do. I advocate making a conscious decision about our actions based on reason and facts. Traditions can be fine -- even when there is no real reason for following them. However, expecting all of society to follow a tradition just because some within that society want that tradition to continue is unreasonable.

As for laws, well, I firmly believe that civil disobedience is justifiable in many instances. However, a person needs to have a good, well thought out reason for this, and be ready to accept the consequences. Where would civil rights be today without people who stood up against the status quo?

Sure, wearing hats inside is not remotely comparable to civil rights issues (though one might argue that having different "rules" in this area for men and women could make it an off-shoot of such issues). It still illustrates the same concepts. Careful consideration of what has "always" been done, and rejection of that which no longer fits or is no longer appropriate is something that should be lauded. Change always brings discomfort to some within society. This is nothing new. In fact, it's almost tradition.

I am not advocating telling kids / youth / young adults or any other age group to just do whatever they want on a whim. I'm advocating teaching people of any age to use thought, reason, and evidence to make their decisions, not blind faith in how things have "always" been done or blind faith in what "the man" or "the church" says. That's hardly dumbing down our youth.

Disclaimer: "The man" is not intended to refer to gender, but to those in authority or control, whether that be political or social in nature. I shouldn't have to make this statement, but without it, someone will probably misunderstand the usage. Disclaimer #2: By saying "the church" I am not referencing any particular religious denomination or organization, including the Roman Catholic church, which has historically been referenced with the phrase "the Church." Instead, I am referring to religion in general. There. Perhaps I have played the CYA card here...​

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Funny that you should have to make this disclaimer, because, at one time, the term man, referred to people in general, that is, until those uppity women got all up in arms about it, and demanded a generic term for everything.

 

[geeber]

Hats indoors doesn't bother me too much. Pants below the butt on men do. Womens' butt cracks on display do. I'm all about dressing my own style, but good grief, my lumpy bumpy body is always concealed. I dont understand why clothes need to be falling off people now days. Yuck. At least a ball cap is snug to the head.

However, dingy caps indoors at a nice restaurant is akin to dingy jeans in a nice restaurant. Not very proper.

As for manners, dont get me started. My mom always beamed when someone would approach her about how well mannered & nice her kids were. We were taught to say please & thank you, to respect our elders, & to never talk in a movie theater. I didn't pay $10 to listen to some schmoe talk to their buddy about whatever.

 

[PineappleMama]

Oh like you'd appreciate being called Ma'am at all turns?

Quick question... sort of related IMO... how many hear actually keep their fork in their right hand... not just when cutting meat, but when taking a bite of it or anything else? Used to that was The Way to do things... now not so much... hence thinking it is related... I was just curious. I decided to start doing that when I was in... what 8th grade? Just for the heck of it, to see if I could, personal challenge kind of thing... and I find myself more able because of it... my left hand, which before then was just clutzilla, is better now. Not paint the Mona Lisa better, handwriting with that hand looks like a 2nd grader's... but still and improvement in overall motor skills that's come in handy. For that reason alone I've gotten my kiddos to try it... the fact that due to decreased mobility in his right hand the only way FIL can use chopsticks is with his left probably helped too... I cannot for the life of me pull that one off... but I can use them righty... as can DH and DS... DD is working on it. Good for motor control IMO, and makes you shovel in the food a little slower to boot.

 

[Rozzie]

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Ah, but adding "the" before man can give so many different meanings depending on the context and vocal intonations.

 

[Rozzie]

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That one was pretty good, eh?

 

[Rozzie]

Don't forget that you are also supposed to place a small amount of butter on your own plate, then break off a piece of bread and butter one bite's worth at a time, too, while laying your knife properly across the edge of your bread plate, too, in between bites.

I can still manage to set a table with such things, though I will readily admit that if it comes to finger bowl placement, I will have to dig into some table setting charts.

Since we want to keep up proper manners, and all...

 

[PineappleMama]

The bread thing I've done... best way to guarantee a buttery bite every time.. and minus the butter mustache you get when biting into a slathered one... but that's more a "love butter" thing than a manners thing... does NOT work for squat with my biscuits, they just crumble... never have had much luck with biscuits, or pie crust... both drive me nuts. And I had no clue about the knife placement between bites... makes sense, better than putting a buttery knife on the table/cloth that you'll have to clean up later... note to self.

Oh what about soup? Technically you're poda tilt the bowl and spoon it up... and NOT slurp... I hate slurpy and smacky noises... urk. If my kiddos had their way they'd use a straw to suck up the last bits, but mostly they'll either lift the bowl and drink it or save that last little bit for the doggies. Bet that's not in the Big Book... but it does lower the amount of rinsing needed.