Splash Ameraucana roo x Starlight Green Egger hen

[JesWith3]

Now that we know for sure Kitty is a rooster (and turning into quite the handsome boy, at that), I am curious to see pictures of potential offspring between him and our Starlight Green Egger 'Honey' and learn what color eggs their offspring are likely to lay since Honey's eggs are blue on the inside and medium green on the outside (or doesn't inside color mean anything aside from she carries a single blue gene?). SGE's are technically an EE, correct? This means Honey has mixed genes and her offspring might or might not get a blue gene from her. So, a potential blue gene from honey and a definite blue gene from Kitty the roo SHOULD result in blue egg laying offspring. A blue gene from Kitty and a brown gene from Honey would result in a green egg layer. So, did I just answer my own question...Since Honey is technically an EE, offspring could produce any color egg...tan, brown, pink, purple, green, olive, teal, blue?
All of that out of the way, do any of you have pictures of the resulting offspring of a Splash Ameraucana roo x Starlight Green Egger hen cross? I'm so curious to see. Thank you all!

 

[Lady of McCamley]

Honey lays, if I understand correctly green. She has at least one blue shell gene then to create the blue of the actual shell (literally bile thrown into the calcite gland to create blue shell ). Since her outside shell color is medium green, she carries some of the 13 odd genes that create brown hemoglobin wash on the outside of the shell. Brown wash over pure white shells produces brown eggs varying on how much brown "paint" is laid down. Brown wash over blue shell produces shades of green depending again how much brown is coded.

Your boy, if truly pure Ameraucana, will have 2 blue shell genes...so a blue shell gene will always be passed....so all progeny of this first pairing will have blue shell. My experience is the brown wash lightens each generation away from original parent brown if you don't refresh brown with the other parent, so you may see an assortment of green on those who inherit the "brown side" of Honey but not her blue gene..perhaps a bit bluer green with those that get 2 blue genes with her brown...I get more of a light spring green...usually. I've taken a green line and bred back to blue slowly eliminating brown each generation... But it takes awhile to do as you're trying to breed out a lot of brown gene combinations. You won't get brown or white eggs in this pairing as Kitty has given 1 blue gene and blue is dominant. You likely won't get true blue as Honey has those brown wash genes that pass in groups. Brown isn't clear like the diploid, 2 gene, blue. Some always passes until you breed it out.

I'm not sure what the feather color of Honey is but assume buff from the name????.... splash generally produces blue offspring both sexes over anything black, brown, buff or red.

Nice pairing. You'll be happy with the offspring.

LofMc

 

[JesWith3]

Honey lays, if I understand correctly green. She has at least one blue shell gene then to create the blue of the actual shell (literally bile thrown into the calcite gland to create blue shell ). Since her outside shell color is medium green, she carries some of the 13 odd genes that create brown hemoglobin wash on the outside of the shell. Brown wash over pure white shells produces brown eggs varying on how much brown "paint" is laid down. Brown wash over blue shell produces shades of green depending again how much brown is coded.

Your boy, if truly pure Ameraucana, will have 2 blue shell genes...so a blue shell gene will always be passed....so all progeny of this first pairing will have blue shell. My experience is the brown wash lightens each generation away from original parent brown if you don't refresh brown with the other parent, so you may see an assortment of green on those who inherit the "brown side" of Honey but not her blue gene..perhaps a bit bluer green with those that get 2 blue genes with her brown...I get more of a light spring green...usually. I've taken a green line and bred back to blue slowly eliminating brown each generation... But it takes awhile to do as you're trying to breed out a lot of brown gene combinations. You won't get brown or white eggs in this pairing as Kitty has given 1 blue gene and blue is dominant. You likely won't get true blue as Honey has those brown wash genes that pass in groups. Brown isn't clear like the diploid, 2 gene, blue. Some always passes until you breed it out.

I'm not sure what the feather color of Honey is but assume buff from the name????.... splash generally produces blue offspring both sexes over anything black, brown, buff or red.

Nice pairing. You'll be happy with the offspring.

LofMc

YOU, Ma'am, are AMAZING! This is EXACTLY what I was looking for and you did splendidly. Can't thank you enough. Honey is...creamy rust? Her butt is portrayed perfectly in the photo above lol Of course she didn't cooperate when I grabbed the camera, so you get a pretty ok shot of Kitty but only Honey's backside! LOL Thank you SO much for this in-depth treasure trove of info. Appreciate you!

 

[Lady of McCamley]

Honey looks buff to me. Blue chicks both sexes with this pairing first generation. Breed those females back to splash dad and you'll get 50% splash and 50% blue both sexes.

This first gen pairing will produce 50% two blue shell gene daughters and 50% single blue shell gene daughters. All as stated will have some brown genes but likely fewer. Brown is not completely understood.

Glad I could help. I've enjoyed breeding my barnyard mixes for egg and feather colors. Enjoy

LofMc

 

[JesWith3]

Honey looks buff to me. Blue chicks both sexes with this pairing first generation. Breed those females back to splash dad and you'll get 50% splash and 50% blue both sexes.

This first gen pairing will produce 50% two blue shell gene daughters and 50% single blue shell gene daughters. All as stated will have some brown genes but likely fewer. Brown is not completely understood.

Glad I could help. I've enjoyed breeding my barnyard mixes for egg and feather colors. Enjoy

LofMc

Thanks so much again! If you don't mind, would you mind giving me your take on Kitty? I know that he is a true Ameraucana (I've seen the breeding program of the seller), albeit from a subpar breeding program...see the leakage in his wings? This doesn't bother me AT ALL, in fact, I think it's beautiful. I know the breeder had black Ameraucana's, blues, splash, and lavenders. My guess is Kitty had a black parent (as shown diluted in his wings?). One question is whether I'm correct in calling it gold leakage, as it doesn't necessarily look red to me. I don't breed for show, I only care that I've got well-tempered birds (Kitty is a lap cat...hence the name) that don't mind providing cuddles and breakfast. I'm just asking out of curiosity. I think he's beautiful, but I've gone back and forth not knowing whether he is lavender, blue, or splash. He's changed so much. As he matures, I see more black feathers popping out here and there, so I'm more inclined to say Splash. And now, enter these gorgeous beige/gold feathers showing up on his wings. What say you?

 

[JesWith3]

Honey looks buff to me. Blue chicks both sexes with this pairing first generation. Breed those females back to splash dad and you'll get 50% splash and 50% blue both sexes.

This first gen pairing will produce 50% two blue shell gene daughters and 50% single blue shell gene daughters. All as stated will have some brown genes but likely fewer. Brown is not completely understood.

Glad I could help. I've enjoyed breeding my barnyard mixes for egg and feather colors. Enjoy

LofMc

Also, even though the offspring will be mutts, they will take no physical characteristics from Honey (also a mutt...prairie bluebell Egger+ Mystery brown egg layer)? Will some of them have beard/muff and some of them clean-faced? Some have shorter combs and nearly non-existant waddles and some with comb and waddle like honey or some falling somewhere inbetween mom and dad? How about feet and shank color? Slate? White? Yellow? Are you tired of me yet? LOL Thanks so much.

 

[Lady of McCamley]

My experience first gen the muff beard typically presents in the chicks with one muffed bearded parent. Ditto leg feathers, btw, if you had any leg feathering with Marans, ditto crests like Cream Legbars. 2nd gen you see those fall away if not bred back to the bearded muffed or crested or feather legged line.

Kitty has a pea comb. I can't see Honey's head so I'd have to guess her comb type. Your description makes her sound single combed. Depending on the genetics of Kitty, likely all fist gen will have pea comb as Kitty should be double pea which is dominant. Single combs are absence of pea or rose comb genetics or pprr. Kitty has no rose comb genetics but purebred so likely PPrr. That means all chicks will be Pprr or single gene pea combed. Pea combs have the smaller wattles too. If Kitty is Pprrr you'll get 50% pea and 50% single.

I'd have to look up leg color genetics. I *think* yellow is dominant over slate, or produces green...usually first gen Easter Eggers bred with an Ameraucana parent on one side present muff bearded and green legs.....Edited to add ..just checked. Yellow plus slate is green. Yellow is recessive. Dark melanin slate is also recessive. White is wild type...that's all I've got now.

I'd have to know more about Honey's blue bell plain mystery brown lineage to guess what combos might be hidden that might realign with Kitty.

I love talking genetics. I still have so much to learn. But that's what I've got down so far.

 

[JesWith3]

Awww you're great! Genetics fascinates me, but I just never fully grasp it. You could say I get the gist of the basics, but when you start getting into pprr, etc. etc. etc. The rest is woin[94ha'sldkncq[ to me LOL!! That doesn't stop me from trying, though and you've seriously made my night. I'll likely be back with more questions for you in the future. Have a wonderful night (day?), my friend.

 

[Lady of McCamley]

One last response I missed your question on Kitty. I'd call it a nice splash...black diluter in both genes.

The color you call bleed through on the wings is the common male red wing barring. I've not got the genetics of that down but it must be sex linked as it is a male coloring pattern. If you look at many breed colorings, the male component will be the same base color as the female but sprout the tale tell red barring on the wings of the male of that color pattern. So it's indicative Kitty is male.

LofMc